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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-81</guid>
		<description>Proved MY point also.

You have nothing of value.

I guess, using your definition, all you are doing is using this forum to "stir up controversy".
I quote:

"-Willis johnson is what’s now known as a “troll” for these web logs. His purpose in posting is to stir up controversy,-"

That would make you the "troll"?

So far you have offered nothing, besides personal attacks on me.  Not my ideas.  Not my positions.

Just so you can call somebody names and feel good about how "wonderful" you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proved MY point also.</p>
<p>You have nothing of value.</p>
<p>I guess, using your definition, all you are doing is using this forum to &#8220;stir up controversy&#8221;.<br />
I quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;-Willis johnson is what’s now known as a “troll” for these web logs. His purpose in posting is to stir up controversy,-&#8221;</p>
<p>That would make you the &#8220;troll&#8221;?</p>
<p>So far you have offered nothing, besides personal attacks on me.  Not my ideas.  Not my positions.</p>
<p>Just so you can call somebody names and feel good about how &#8220;wonderful&#8221; you are.</p>
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		<title>By: roland</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-80</guid>
		<description>Proved my point again, thanks. 
Your ramblings aren't worth my time, but glad to see that it got you thinking. 
Oh, and I didn't "ask"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proved my point again, thanks.<br />
Your ramblings aren&#8217;t worth my time, but glad to see that it got you thinking.<br />
Oh, and I didn&#8217;t &#8220;ask&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-79</guid>
		<description>Awww, golly...

"-“troll” is the accepted term-"

So, "troll" is acceptable name calling?

Sure beats the heck out of using facts doesn't it?

If your position is based on political correctness, or what some politician told you, or worse yet, what you were indoctrinated with in the public system of dumbing down the populace, then there is no "discussion".

However, if you want to base your position on real, provable FACT, then state your position.

For instance, where in the Constitution is it stated that anybody has a "right" to health care, or a "right" to health insurance?

Then read the 10th Amendment, and justify the federal government pushing for the concept.

Now, that is a simple enough project for somebody as "close minded" as yourself.  And yes, roland, now that you asked, "close minded" is in quotes because that's the label you stuck on me.  Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww, golly&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;-“troll” is the accepted term-&#8221;</p>
<p>So, &#8220;troll&#8221; is acceptable name calling?</p>
<p>Sure beats the heck out of using facts doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>If your position is based on political correctness, or what some politician told you, or worse yet, what you were indoctrinated with in the public system of dumbing down the populace, then there is no &#8220;discussion&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, if you want to base your position on real, provable FACT, then state your position.</p>
<p>For instance, where in the Constitution is it stated that anybody has a &#8220;right&#8221; to health care, or a &#8220;right&#8221; to health insurance?</p>
<p>Then read the 10th Amendment, and justify the federal government pushing for the concept.</p>
<p>Now, that is a simple enough project for somebody as &#8220;close minded&#8221; as yourself.  And yes, roland, now that you asked, &#8220;close minded&#8221; is in quotes because that&#8217;s the label you stuck on me.  Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: roland</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-78</guid>
		<description>"troll" is the accepted term now being used by all other newspapers web "blogs / discussions" . Web monitors do recommend that if you are responding to a troll, to think about it before submitting (Read another paper, now and then). 
Also, you might take time to open your mind to other positions beside "right, right-wing" You have no "discussions" or debate, you're approach is to let your position be known, and the if the rest of us are not "educated" or "intelligent" enought to agree, then we need to "go back to school"? I've read the constitution, done my time being educated, and am a grown up. You do confirm my thoughts about your being closed minded, though, and your comments are irrelevent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;troll&#8221; is the accepted term now being used by all other newspapers web &#8220;blogs / discussions&#8221; . Web monitors do recommend that if you are responding to a troll, to think about it before submitting (Read another paper, now and then).<br />
Also, you might take time to open your mind to other positions beside &#8220;right, right-wing&#8221; You have no &#8220;discussions&#8221; or debate, you&#8217;re approach is to let your position be known, and the if the rest of us are not &#8220;educated&#8221; or &#8220;intelligent&#8221; enought to agree, then we need to &#8220;go back to school&#8221;? I&#8217;ve read the constitution, done my time being educated, and am a grown up. You do confirm my thoughts about your being closed minded, though, and your comments are irrelevent.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-77</guid>
		<description>Golly, roland called me a troll.

More name calling?  Based on rolands reading and comprehension deficiency? 

Here's a copy from the original post in another topic.

"Willis Leon Johnson Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 7:08 am

Dear e u, your last sentence says:

“The sane R’s are now realizing it and rightly figure if they want to remain a viable party in America they will defiantly have to tack to the center and isolate the looney extremists of the Republican Party.”

Do you have the same requirement for the looney extremists on the far left in your party?"

roland, yer bestest buddy eu first used the "looney" word.

As far as using this as a way of stirring things up.

No, this is a debate of ideas and philosophies. 

If you have FACTS, and care to present them in a rational manner, then we can have a "debate"

If you need to resort to name calling to bolster your position....

You need to go back to school and take a debate class.  Check if they have a "how to be a grown up" course while you're there.  It would help.

And, since you're going back for higher education, read the Constitution while you're there.  it will improve your mind, and maybe you can be smarter too.

If you continue to feel the need to play the name calling game, expect to be belittled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golly, roland called me a troll.</p>
<p>More name calling?  Based on rolands reading and comprehension deficiency? </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a copy from the original post in another topic.</p>
<p>&#8220;Willis Leon Johnson Says:<br />
February 26th, 2008 at 7:08 am</p>
<p>Dear e u, your last sentence says:</p>
<p>“The sane R’s are now realizing it and rightly figure if they want to remain a viable party in America they will defiantly have to tack to the center and isolate the looney extremists of the Republican Party.”</p>
<p>Do you have the same requirement for the looney extremists on the far left in your party?&#8221;</p>
<p>roland, yer bestest buddy eu first used the &#8220;looney&#8221; word.</p>
<p>As far as using this as a way of stirring things up.</p>
<p>No, this is a debate of ideas and philosophies. </p>
<p>If you have FACTS, and care to present them in a rational manner, then we can have a &#8220;debate&#8221;</p>
<p>If you need to resort to name calling to bolster your position&#8230;.</p>
<p>You need to go back to school and take a debate class.  Check if they have a &#8220;how to be a grown up&#8221; course while you&#8217;re there.  It would help.</p>
<p>And, since you&#8217;re going back for higher education, read the Constitution while you&#8217;re there.  it will improve your mind, and maybe you can be smarter too.</p>
<p>If you continue to feel the need to play the name calling game, expect to be belittled.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-76</guid>
		<description>Rick Wagner has spent the last decade, it seems, trying to make a name for himself, in any way, shape, or form. He tried the D.A.'s office....Tried to run for Sheriff...parlayed his political points into a made-up job at the Sheriff's Department (that was a hoot), dumbed up the airwaves at KNZZ (motto: "We'll give anyone a microphone"!) then spewed his drivel at the Free Press before getting booted and landing at the Sentinel, where apparently his job is to make Gary Harmon look smart by comparison.  (Note: I may have some errors in the timeline, But it's always been the same Rick)   Lucky, lucky us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Wagner has spent the last decade, it seems, trying to make a name for himself, in any way, shape, or form. He tried the D.A.&#8217;s office&#8230;.Tried to run for Sheriff&#8230;parlayed his political points into a made-up job at the Sheriff&#8217;s Department (that was a hoot), dumbed up the airwaves at KNZZ (motto: &#8220;We&#8217;ll give anyone a microphone&#8221;!) then spewed his drivel at the Free Press before getting booted and landing at the Sentinel, where apparently his job is to make Gary Harmon look smart by comparison.  (Note: I may have some errors in the timeline, But it&#8217;s always been the same Rick)   Lucky, lucky us.</p>
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		<title>By: roland</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-75</guid>
		<description>Willis johnson is what's now known as a "troll" for these web logs. His purpose in posting is to stir up controversy, as he has vehement disagreement with any one not of the far-right pursuasion. His idea of what's "good" for this country has to fit his right-wing parameters, and I suspect it never will. Also, he chastises someone for insulting him, when he is the one who started the discussion about the "looney" left. A far-right "cheerleader" he is, but his rhetoric is over-used and pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis johnson is what&#8217;s now known as a &#8220;troll&#8221; for these web logs. His purpose in posting is to stir up controversy, as he has vehement disagreement with any one not of the far-right pursuasion. His idea of what&#8217;s &#8220;good&#8221; for this country has to fit his right-wing parameters, and I suspect it never will. Also, he chastises someone for insulting him, when he is the one who started the discussion about the &#8220;looney&#8221; left. A far-right &#8220;cheerleader&#8221; he is, but his rhetoric is over-used and pathetic!</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-74</guid>
		<description>Robbie says:

"It is the new genre of opinion writer that, having some knowledge in one area, believe that they have knowledge and understanding in all, even those in which they have none."

From reading his many letters over the last several years, this statement accurately describes himself very nicely.

Bennet, since you seem to be the district obama cheerleader, could you give us a list of bills sponsored by your hero?

Could you give us a list of bills he has voted on that are actually GOOD for this country?

Can you help us understand why mr obama is listed as the top liberal senator, and his positions are destructive to US Sovereignty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie says:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the new genre of opinion writer that, having some knowledge in one area, believe that they have knowledge and understanding in all, even those in which they have none.&#8221;</p>
<p>From reading his many letters over the last several years, this statement accurately describes himself very nicely.</p>
<p>Bennet, since you seem to be the district obama cheerleader, could you give us a list of bills sponsored by your hero?</p>
<p>Could you give us a list of bills he has voted on that are actually GOOD for this country?</p>
<p>Can you help us understand why mr obama is listed as the top liberal senator, and his positions are destructive to US Sovereignty?</p>
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		<title>By: RLaitres</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>RLaitres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-72</guid>
		<description>When reading Mr. Wagner's columns, it is necessary to remember that the gentleman does little or any research of study on issues or candidates.  Anyone who has ever attempted to establish what lays at the bottom of his "opinions" and what are his sources, will find that he is most often operating solely with pre-interpreted information or, to put it another way, pre-digested fodder.  He is a "member in good standing" of the new genre of opinion writers who believe that they are compelled to promote the party line, whatever it is.  It is the new genre of opinion writer that,  having some knowledge in one area, believe that they have knowledge and understanding in all, even those in which they have none.  They are the real product of what we now call our "educational" system, individuals who are schooled, but unfortunately never educated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When reading Mr. Wagner&#8217;s columns, it is necessary to remember that the gentleman does little or any research of study on issues or candidates.  Anyone who has ever attempted to establish what lays at the bottom of his &#8220;opinions&#8221; and what are his sources, will find that he is most often operating solely with pre-interpreted information or, to put it another way, pre-digested fodder.  He is a &#8220;member in good standing&#8221; of the new genre of opinion writers who believe that they are compelled to promote the party line, whatever it is.  It is the new genre of opinion writer that,  having some knowledge in one area, believe that they have knowledge and understanding in all, even those in which they have none.  They are the real product of what we now call our &#8220;educational&#8221; system, individuals who are schooled, but unfortunately never educated.</p>
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		<title>By: coloradodesertwind</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>coloradodesertwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/02/19/barack-obamas-presidential-platform/#comment-17</guid>
		<description>Very well made points.

Colorado has already made it's choices, at least in the early going, but it does seem Obama has some momentum.

The sad thing about today's politics is the fact that voters don't often vote their conscience or their heart when they ask who is the best person for the job.

Obama impressed me in 2004 when he won in the Illinois legislative races by his poise, his addressing the issues that affected me personally, and yes... his personality.

I don't need or want a talking head leader who shows up at national crisis telling me his politics.   I want someone who believes in the people, and can offer solutions to make it happen.   Hopefully Obama can get over the hurdles of Washington and the remaining primary states of big money involvement and truly make his plans and vision happen.

Texas is key, and tonight's rally was once again impressive.    The talk is there.  Let him walk the walk!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well made points.</p>
<p>Colorado has already made it&#8217;s choices, at least in the early going, but it does seem Obama has some momentum.</p>
<p>The sad thing about today&#8217;s politics is the fact that voters don&#8217;t often vote their conscience or their heart when they ask who is the best person for the job.</p>
<p>Obama impressed me in 2004 when he won in the Illinois legislative races by his poise, his addressing the issues that affected me personally, and yes&#8230; his personality.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need or want a talking head leader who shows up at national crisis telling me his politics.   I want someone who believes in the people, and can offer solutions to make it happen.   Hopefully Obama can get over the hurdles of Washington and the remaining primary states of big money involvement and truly make his plans and vision happen.</p>
<p>Texas is key, and tonight&#8217;s rally was once again impressive.    The talk is there.  Let him walk the walk!!</p>
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