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	<title>Comments on: Bush&#8217;s mistake was believing in his country</title>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am upset about the economy too. I am a small business owner (hence why I can check this so amny times a day) I get upset when I am paying taxes, supporting welfare services when I can't even get healthcare of my own because I get Migranes. I am paying for a surgery I had back in oct 2006 out of pocket. I am 27.  Is that fair? Hell no.

But do I put that anger about all issues and roll them together? No. Just because I dislike the way the economy is being handled doent mean I call foul across the board. 

 I am very upset, but I have yet to meet a perfect human being that we could elect and please everyone. All other nations included, not just the citizens. Its impossible. We have to start working together, bottom line. Theres no trust in this relationship between government and America, Its fundamentally broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am upset about the economy too. I am a small business owner (hence why I can check this so amny times a day) I get upset when I am paying taxes, supporting welfare services when I can&#8217;t even get healthcare of my own because I get Migranes. I am paying for a surgery I had back in oct 2006 out of pocket. I am 27.  Is that fair? Hell no.</p>
<p>But do I put that anger about all issues and roll them together? No. Just because I dislike the way the economy is being handled doent mean I call foul across the board. </p>
<p> I am very upset, but I have yet to meet a perfect human being that we could elect and please everyone. All other nations included, not just the citizens. Its impossible. We have to start working together, bottom line. Theres no trust in this relationship between government and America, Its fundamentally broken.</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-456</guid>
		<description>Willis still hasn't answered my question.
 Jami, the problem is that there is no sense to the Iraq situation, common or otherwise. It was a huge mistake, our military has been crippled and our treasure has been stolen by the kleptocrats in power. Terrorism is a problem to be solved  with police forces, like the CIA or FBI or Scotland Yard. To throw our military into the situation and hope they "win" is just stupid. The only winners here are the terrorists, who killed some 3500 people and wrecked 3 planes and two awesome buildings, and then sat back and watched our whole country come apart at the seams. Bin Laden couldn't be happier, watching our military being ground down to a nub playing whack-a-mole, watching our treasury dwindle to nothing, watching us borrow billions and billions from China, watching the value of the dollar plunge, watching oil prices go from $30 to over $100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis still hasn&#8217;t answered my question.<br />
 Jami, the problem is that there is no sense to the Iraq situation, common or otherwise. It was a huge mistake, our military has been crippled and our treasure has been stolen by the kleptocrats in power. Terrorism is a problem to be solved  with police forces, like the CIA or FBI or Scotland Yard. To throw our military into the situation and hope they &#8220;win&#8221; is just stupid. The only winners here are the terrorists, who killed some 3500 people and wrecked 3 planes and two awesome buildings, and then sat back and watched our whole country come apart at the seams. Bin Laden couldn&#8217;t be happier, watching our military being ground down to a nub playing whack-a-mole, watching our treasury dwindle to nothing, watching us borrow billions and billions from China, watching the value of the dollar plunge, watching oil prices go from $30 to over $100.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-455</guid>
		<description>Aww Jami, I just enjoy giving people something to think about other than the drivel they are spoonfed daily by the imbeciles pretending to be "news" people.

Whatsis name would do well to go back and read his responses to me by themselves, without reading anything I wrote.  It's a headscratcher.

Back to #28.

"Don’t put me in your political box. Its so screwed up I can’t tell if I am a republician with independant views, a democrat, far on one side or the other.Its crap.

“ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country ”

Its not about your side or my side. who is doing what where. What can we do… together?"

Anybody with 3 living brain cells and an internet connection can go back to the time of which your JFK quote originated, and examine the political philosophies in effect.

The current "republican" party would have been outlawed as UnAmerican

The current "democrat" party would have been shipped to Russia as a progressive party to improve the power Kruschev held over the Russian People.

What we can do together as a nation of people tired of the overbearing government?

Well, stop voting for either of the two major parties.

But that really doesn't leave us a choice either.

In Colorado, we can get items on the ballot to limit the ability of politicians to have complete control over the Citizens of this State.

First and foremost should be an amendment to take away tenure from "public" employees.

It should not be a difficult thing to get rid of a bad government employee, but the politicians have passed laws making it impossible.

Any public employee union contract should be negotiated by private business leaders and working Citizens, not overpaid, unaccountable bureaucrats.

We can find, and help fund the various organizations that support the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, and start taking away the power from Washington DC, and returning it to the States and the People.

Taking OUR country back from the politicians will be a daunting task, but it must be done soon.

If you only had to pay taxes to accomplish the Constitutionally mandated functions at the federal level, your taxes would be cut to nearly nothing.

Nearly 75% of federal spending is in direct violation of the 10th Amendment.

The 13th Amendment needs to be repealed, and the taxing system be replaced by something similar to Boortz's "fair tax" plan.

Get rid of the "federal reserve" system.  It's privately owned, not government.
Private investors are getting incredibly rich off the People of this nation.

We need to go back onto either the gold, or silver standard.

A classic example of the difference;

Your federal reserve issued one dollar note buys avery verry small piece of a barrel of crude oil.

However, an ounce of gold today buys exactly the same amount of crude as it did 50 years ago.

So, would you rather stay with a failing monetary system, or go back to what we had BEFORE fdr?

Outta time for now.  Gotta go do something "productive" for a while...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww Jami, I just enjoy giving people something to think about other than the drivel they are spoonfed daily by the imbeciles pretending to be &#8220;news&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Whatsis name would do well to go back and read his responses to me by themselves, without reading anything I wrote.  It&#8217;s a headscratcher.</p>
<p>Back to #28.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t put me in your political box. Its so screwed up I can’t tell if I am a republician with independant views, a democrat, far on one side or the other.Its crap.</p>
<p>“ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country ”</p>
<p>Its not about your side or my side. who is doing what where. What can we do… together?&#8221;</p>
<p>Anybody with 3 living brain cells and an internet connection can go back to the time of which your JFK quote originated, and examine the political philosophies in effect.</p>
<p>The current &#8220;republican&#8221; party would have been outlawed as UnAmerican</p>
<p>The current &#8220;democrat&#8221; party would have been shipped to Russia as a progressive party to improve the power Kruschev held over the Russian People.</p>
<p>What we can do together as a nation of people tired of the overbearing government?</p>
<p>Well, stop voting for either of the two major parties.</p>
<p>But that really doesn&#8217;t leave us a choice either.</p>
<p>In Colorado, we can get items on the ballot to limit the ability of politicians to have complete control over the Citizens of this State.</p>
<p>First and foremost should be an amendment to take away tenure from &#8220;public&#8221; employees.</p>
<p>It should not be a difficult thing to get rid of a bad government employee, but the politicians have passed laws making it impossible.</p>
<p>Any public employee union contract should be negotiated by private business leaders and working Citizens, not overpaid, unaccountable bureaucrats.</p>
<p>We can find, and help fund the various organizations that support the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, and start taking away the power from Washington DC, and returning it to the States and the People.</p>
<p>Taking OUR country back from the politicians will be a daunting task, but it must be done soon.</p>
<p>If you only had to pay taxes to accomplish the Constitutionally mandated functions at the federal level, your taxes would be cut to nearly nothing.</p>
<p>Nearly 75% of federal spending is in direct violation of the 10th Amendment.</p>
<p>The 13th Amendment needs to be repealed, and the taxing system be replaced by something similar to Boortz&#8217;s &#8220;fair tax&#8221; plan.</p>
<p>Get rid of the &#8220;federal reserve&#8221; system.  It&#8217;s privately owned, not government.<br />
Private investors are getting incredibly rich off the People of this nation.</p>
<p>We need to go back onto either the gold, or silver standard.</p>
<p>A classic example of the difference;</p>
<p>Your federal reserve issued one dollar note buys avery verry small piece of a barrel of crude oil.</p>
<p>However, an ounce of gold today buys exactly the same amount of crude as it did 50 years ago.</p>
<p>So, would you rather stay with a failing monetary system, or go back to what we had BEFORE fdr?</p>
<p>Outta time for now.  Gotta go do something &#8220;productive&#8221; for a while&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-454</guid>
		<description>Willis.... LOL. I think I come here just to see how many people you have angered this morning! Its comedy how they react. 

Can someone reply to post 28? I am young, but I care about our country. I care about the economy, the military, the gorvernment.  Is it completely naive of me to think we could fix alot of these problems if we stepped out of the political box?

The reason "The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation in March of ‘03." seems to be common sense.  They give you all of these bull***t reasons because the same people that elected them turn on them. Because as Americans we have lost all backbone and want to be as politically correct as possible. I guess that means bringing pie to terrorists while they are detained. Open your eyes. Can you not see that we are in danger? That when the Iraq conflict is solved we still have to deal with IRAN... who refuses to stop his uranium enriching dispite sanctions. after that North Korea, who is test firing missles as we speak. Its not going to end in our lifetime folks. Stand behind your goverment. Stand beside your fellow americans. I will stand with each and every one of you, no matter how badly our opinions differ.  Divided we fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis&#8230;. LOL. I think I come here just to see how many people you have angered this morning! Its comedy how they react. </p>
<p>Can someone reply to post 28? I am young, but I care about our country. I care about the economy, the military, the gorvernment.  Is it completely naive of me to think we could fix alot of these problems if we stepped out of the political box?</p>
<p>The reason &#8220;The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation in March of ‘03.&#8221; seems to be common sense.  They give you all of these bull***t reasons because the same people that elected them turn on them. Because as Americans we have lost all backbone and want to be as politically correct as possible. I guess that means bringing pie to terrorists while they are detained. Open your eyes. Can you not see that we are in danger? That when the Iraq conflict is solved we still have to deal with IRAN&#8230; who refuses to stop his uranium enriching dispite sanctions. after that North Korea, who is test firing missles as we speak. Its not going to end in our lifetime folks. Stand behind your goverment. Stand beside your fellow americans. I will stand with each and every one of you, no matter how badly our opinions differ.  Divided we fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-453</guid>
		<description>"And quit f***ing lecturing me."

You consider this "growed up" language?

tsk, tsk...

Do you scream at your computer screen too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And quit f***ing lecturing me.&#8221;</p>
<p>You consider this &#8220;growed up&#8221; language?</p>
<p>tsk, tsk&#8230;</p>
<p>Do you scream at your computer screen too?</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-452</guid>
		<description>I wish I could laugh in your face. Once again you missed the point entirely, changed your argument to avoid reality, and in classic wing-nut fashion, threw in a paranoid rant about the media. My God. And then you lecture me. Ridiculous.
The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation in March of '03. Do you remember that?Do you remember the reason presented for that invasion? Watch that stupid movie #30 again if you don't. Now tell me what connection existed linking 9/11 to Iraq. PLEASE! And quit f***ing lecturing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could laugh in your face. Once again you missed the point entirely, changed your argument to avoid reality, and in classic wing-nut fashion, threw in a paranoid rant about the media. My God. And then you lecture me. Ridiculous.<br />
The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation in March of &#8216;03. Do you remember that?Do you remember the reason presented for that invasion? Watch that stupid movie #30 again if you don&#8217;t. Now tell me what connection existed linking 9/11 to Iraq. PLEASE! And quit f***ing lecturing me.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-449</guid>
		<description>From your repeated requests for a “direct” connection between 9/11 and Iraq, apparently nothing short of a written order from saddamn ordering the attacks on that day will suffice.

Which brings us all the way back to “historical facts”

During WWII there were numerous North African countries that did not attack us, but American Military personnel fought and died there.

Numerous European countries did not attack us, but American soldiers fought and died on their soil.

In the Pacific theater, various small island nations did not attack us, but American soldiers fought and died there.

In China, which also did not attack us, American soldiers fought and died there.

Those Men and Women fought and died so you could live free and safe from fear in your own communities and homes.

When I suggested you do your own research, the first place you looked was the “news” media?

THE LEAST RELIABLE source of facts?

When you allow your hatred, based solely on political hyperbole, you lose any and all credibility.

With the RIGHTS actually GUARANTEED by the Constitution, come RESPONSIBILITIES.

If, or when, you figure out what that statement means, feel free to let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your repeated requests for a “direct” connection between 9/11 and Iraq, apparently nothing short of a written order from saddamn ordering the attacks on that day will suffice.</p>
<p>Which brings us all the way back to “historical facts”</p>
<p>During WWII there were numerous North African countries that did not attack us, but American Military personnel fought and died there.</p>
<p>Numerous European countries did not attack us, but American soldiers fought and died on their soil.</p>
<p>In the Pacific theater, various small island nations did not attack us, but American soldiers fought and died there.</p>
<p>In China, which also did not attack us, American soldiers fought and died there.</p>
<p>Those Men and Women fought and died so you could live free and safe from fear in your own communities and homes.</p>
<p>When I suggested you do your own research, the first place you looked was the “news” media?</p>
<p>THE LEAST RELIABLE source of facts?</p>
<p>When you allow your hatred, based solely on political hyperbole, you lose any and all credibility.</p>
<p>With the RIGHTS actually GUARANTEED by the Constitution, come RESPONSIBILITIES.</p>
<p>If, or when, you figure out what that statement means, feel free to let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-446</guid>
		<description>That movie says nothing that connects 9/11 to Iraq. Period. 
Willis, you haven't disproven a single thing I've said, because you can't. Your ideas and argument are so mixed up and confused you can't even reply coherently to "my positions." All you can do is call me ignorant and go on changing the argument.

[Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq. ]


[Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel

By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Tuesday, Nov. 22, 2005

Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter. ]


Real actual facts that are relevant to the discussion are perfectly acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That movie says nothing that connects 9/11 to Iraq. Period.<br />
Willis, you haven&#8217;t disproven a single thing I&#8217;ve said, because you can&#8217;t. Your ideas and argument are so mixed up and confused you can&#8217;t even reply coherently to &#8220;my positions.&#8221; All you can do is call me ignorant and go on changing the argument.</p>
<p>[Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed</p>
<p>By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank<br />
Washington Post Staff Writers<br />
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01</p>
<p>The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no &#8220;collaborative relationship&#8221; between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration&#8217;s main justifications for the war in Iraq. ]</p>
<p>[Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel</p>
<p>By Murray Waas, special to National Journal<br />
© National Journal Group Inc.<br />
Tuesday, Nov. 22, 2005</p>
<p>Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter. ]</p>
<p>Real actual facts that are relevant to the discussion are perfectly acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’ve looked, but other than speeches by neo-cons in which we the American people were lied to, I can’t find any direct correlation."

Try post #30 by Rexall, it's not by "neo-cons", but by your heroes, including the clinton broad.

"And by the way, I really don’t like you, but I have not called you any names or insulted you directly. I know it’s hard when your arguments suck, but try to keep this civil."

Interesting.

By your own admission, you are ignorant of historical facts, have little knowledge of the Founding Documents, and, most recently, have difficulty finding details about why we are in Iraq.

That makes you ignorant of certain knowledge.

Not necessarily a bad thing, and entirely curable with education in those areas where you have little or no knowledge (ignorance).

With this self acknowledged ignorance of the subject at hand you claim that my arguments "suck"?

Ignorance can be cured with education, stupidity requires a person to refuse to educate himself in order to remain ignorant.

And I'm not "insulting" you, I'm pointing out the failures of your positions, which you steadfastly refuse to examine and re-evaluate.

You deny real, actual fact as having no value to the discussion because the facts do not support what you want.

It's not my job to make you smart, nor to "educate" you.

That is something that only you can do.

Regardless of what you desire to do in this life, it will always be your choice to learn how to improve your life, or accept the status quo and never  make any meaningful gains in life.

So, go forth and learn, or stay and remain clueless as to why life passes you by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve looked, but other than speeches by neo-cons in which we the American people were lied to, I can’t find any direct correlation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Try post #30 by Rexall, it&#8217;s not by &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, but by your heroes, including the clinton broad.</p>
<p>&#8220;And by the way, I really don’t like you, but I have not called you any names or insulted you directly. I know it’s hard when your arguments suck, but try to keep this civil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>By your own admission, you are ignorant of historical facts, have little knowledge of the Founding Documents, and, most recently, have difficulty finding details about why we are in Iraq.</p>
<p>That makes you ignorant of certain knowledge.</p>
<p>Not necessarily a bad thing, and entirely curable with education in those areas where you have little or no knowledge (ignorance).</p>
<p>With this self acknowledged ignorance of the subject at hand you claim that my arguments &#8220;suck&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ignorance can be cured with education, stupidity requires a person to refuse to educate himself in order to remain ignorant.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not &#8220;insulting&#8221; you, I&#8217;m pointing out the failures of your positions, which you steadfastly refuse to examine and re-evaluate.</p>
<p>You deny real, actual fact as having no value to the discussion because the facts do not support what you want.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not my job to make you smart, nor to &#8220;educate&#8221; you.</p>
<p>That is something that only you can do.</p>
<p>Regardless of what you desire to do in this life, it will always be your choice to learn how to improve your life, or accept the status quo and never  make any meaningful gains in life.</p>
<p>So, go forth and learn, or stay and remain clueless as to why life passes you by.</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/03/25/bushs-was-mistake-was-believing-in-his-country/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please enlighten me as to what Iraq or Saddam H. had to do with 9/11. I've looked, but other than speeches by neo-cons in which we the American people were lied to, I can't find any direct correlation.
And by the way, I really don't like you, but I have not called you any names or insulted you directly. I know it's hard when your arguments suck, but try to keep this civil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please enlighten me as to what Iraq or Saddam H. had to do with 9/11. I&#8217;ve looked, but other than speeches by neo-cons in which we the American people were lied to, I can&#8217;t find any direct correlation.<br />
And by the way, I really don&#8217;t like you, but I have not called you any names or insulted you directly. I know it&#8217;s hard when your arguments suck, but try to keep this civil.</p>
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