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This letter is to all of those who do not like all of the drilling for natural gas and oil that is now occurring here on the Western Slope and wish that it would just go away. I have a few suggestions for you:
First, change you mode of transportation. However, do not use any other form that requires the use of oil, gas or grease to maintain its operation; such as bicycle, motorcycle, roller blades, etc.
Secondly, when you purchase items, make sure that they do not use any petroleum products in their manufacture and be sure not to buy any product that comes in a plastic container. It would also be necessary for you to start heating your home with wood, but make sure that when you cut down and split that wood you not use any machinery that requires gas or oil.
You should also start lighting your home with candles, for electricity is created by either coal, natural gas or hydroelectric power and it takes oil to lubricate those spinning turbines to produce that electrical power.
Now you may be thinking of using wind or solar power; however the wind turbines need oil for lubrication, the solar power is stored in batteries which are encased in plastic shells and the wire used to transmit that power is sent over insulated wire and the installation is made of plastic, which is an oil product.
TIM VRONAY
Clifton
14 Responses to “Oil and gas drilling is necessary for our way of life”
Posted March 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
This is a bankrupt argument. Here, let me show you by flipping the argument around:
Let’s you and me take a hike Tim. I’ll go without any fossil fuels. You go without air and water. Who do you think will quit first?
Or how about this approach: what do you have against children being allowed to drink clean water?
If you support ever increasing use of fossil fuels, then you need to go without clean air and water. If you think fossil fuels should receive taxpayer subsidies, then you need to do nothing but breath natural gas, drink oil, and eat coal.
Do you see now how your argument is not valid. No one is advocating no more use of fossil fuels. What is being demanded is that the development of fossil fuels NOT unnecessarily harm our health and environment. We all want the benefits of fossil fuels. We all want the benefits of clean air and water.
If you think my arguments are not valid you should realize that I’ve only reversed the terms of your argument. Either they are both valid or neither is. If you were honest, you would see that you are claiming that the “other” side is saying things that they aren’t actually saying.
Posted March 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Actually bruce86, your “argument” is not equal and opposite.
Your position is nothing more than the same warmed over left wing environmental whacko drivel.
Nobody is requiring you to breath natural gas, nor drink petroleum products.
But keep trying.
Posted March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bruce 86 says–If you support ever increasing use of fossil fuels, then you need to go without clean air and water.
WHY? We have more drilling activity going on that just about anywhere, yet I’ll bet we have the purest water and some of the cleanest air. So using a “liberal make sense-o-meter” anyone that wants to have clean air and water should also have heavey drilling activity.
Sure we need to explore alternative energy, but, with what is known today there is NO replacement for oil and will not be for many years to come.
Posted March 25th, 2008 at 6:26 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bruce 86,
Just for your edification, “warmed over left wing environmental whacko drivel” is synonymous with ” I have no real information with which to debate, so I resort to insults, assumptions, and copious quantities of malarkey. Arguing with these guys is a waste of time and effort.
Considering other opinions isn’t their style.
Posted March 26th, 2008 at 7:27 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Does the phrase “fringe, right-wing lunatics” carry the same weight?
And please look up the word “edification” before you use it incorrectly again.
Thanks,
Posted March 26th, 2008 at 8:03 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
EDIFICATION:
–noun
1. an act of edifying.
2. the state of being edified; uplift.
3. moral improvement or guidance.
Nothing “uplifting, or improving” with the spreading of political claptrap from either side.
Posted March 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Thanks for the pedantic (and unnecessary) replies, W_L_J.
For your own edification, dc used the term perfectly. I was indeed enlightened and informed by his comments.
Your rants (WLJ in #2 and Rexall in #3) did a fine job of supporting my demonstration that Mr. Vronay’s argument was bankrupt. The parts of my post #1 that you two felt compelled to respond to were as substantive as Mr. Vronay’s. (In other words, the flaws in Mr. Vronay’s initial post are obvious to anyone who isn’t ideologically driven to agree with whatever conclusion he was trying to make.)
Posted March 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
From dc:
“Just for your edification, “warmed over left wing environmental whacko drivel” is synonymous with ” I have no real information with which to debate, so I resort to insults, assumptions, and copious quantities of malarkey. Arguing with these guys is a waste of time and effort.”
From me:
“Does the phrase “fringe, right-wing lunatics” carry the same weight?”
From dc:
“Considering other opinions isn’t their style.”
From me:
“Nothing “uplifting, or improving” with the spreading of political claptrap from either side.”
From you:
“For your own edification, dc used the term perfectly. I was indeed enlightened and informed by his comments.”
So, you feel enlightened and informed by sucking up political claptrap?
interesting…..
Posted March 26th, 2008 at 11:21 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Whiskey_Lima_Juliet,
Indeed, your post #8 serves to confirm that dc was perceptive, accurate, and edifying in his/her post #4. If anything, dc was too kind and reserved in describing your posting style. I’m quite pleased to have the pleasure of not knowing you personally.
Further “replies” are wholly unnecessary, but I am flattered by your continued attention.
Posted March 28th, 2008 at 11:56 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Willis, you seem to know a lot about the environment, the war, etc. Question-which AM radio host did you get your education from? I’d like to start listening so I can get as educated.
Posted March 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
A good grasp of history, as well as a life of observing.
It’s a knack to discern fact from fiction.
Limbaugh, whom I occasionally listen to, has a saying, “follow the money trail.”
For instance, how much poorer has algore gotten from his crusade to push manmade global warming?
For you math majors, heres a problem for you to solve on the issue of global warming, and mans possible effect.
Figure the cubic miles of atmosphere from the surface of the Earth to an altitude of three miles.
Man mainly lives in that envelope.
Compute the number of cubic miles per human.
Then compute what each individual would need to produce in order to have any effect on the quality of air.
Then discount any CO2 from the equation due to the fact that all air breathing animals produce that chemical with each breath.
Please get back to us when you have the answer.
Posted March 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow! You sure are smart!!
Except for the fact that you couldn’t figure out I really think you are a tool!
Posted March 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
“Wow! You sure are smart!!
Except for the fact that you couldn’t figure out I really think you are a tool!”
I noticed.
I also ignored it.
I could care less what your personal opinion of any other person is.
I could state my opinion of you, but you wouldn’t care, and way too many people enjoy my wry sense of humor.
This way, they get to imagine…
Have a nice day
Posted March 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Who are these people who enjoy your wry sense of humor, and do they live in your mom’s basement too?
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