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		<title>By: codes</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>codes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;munchie...&lt;/strong&gt;

classic scorched earth...</description>
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<p>classic scorched earth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hitekredneck</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>hitekredneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-762</guid>
		<description>oh good greif....mr johnson, it isn't that i disagree with your stance, but ya'll seem to missing the original intent of my letter...it isn't to place blame on anybody, esp not gw bush...i think it's hilarious how everybody seems to think that bush is a step below hitler, for purely emotional reasons...e u is a prime example....i actually don't care much for the shrub, but that's mainly because at first, he did what he believed was right, regardless of what people thought....then he started caving in to poll pressure and started doing things like the democrats do....don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to vilify any particular party, because they both totally suck....but a few things that people need to remember....up until a few months ago, our economy was doing quite well, and for the record, bush created more jobs than his wildly popular partying, cigar smoking predecessor, and withstood personal attacks on his character worse than slick willy ever had to go thru even with the impeachment...everybody says bush lied....that's a crock....he went off the same intelligence that the rest of the government had, INCLUDING the democrats, who mostly gathered and supported the invasion....like hillary, in case ya didn't know that...the point behind my letter is that regardless of why the war started, regardless of reasoning or intent, it's our responsibility to finish it as best we can....and btw, eu, i'll bet you dollars to donuts i can match your whiny little news stories with stories from other vets, some of which are still over there, that support our actions in iraq and also believe that we cannot withdraw at this time....one more thing, why don't you stick to the spirit of the post instead of turning it into a condemnation of our government...our ELECTED government....after all, if you hate it that much, you can always head north or south to get away from it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh good greif&#8230;.mr johnson, it isn&#8217;t that i disagree with your stance, but ya&#8217;ll seem to missing the original intent of my letter&#8230;it isn&#8217;t to place blame on anybody, esp not gw bush&#8230;i think it&#8217;s hilarious how everybody seems to think that bush is a step below hitler, for purely emotional reasons&#8230;e u is a prime example&#8230;.i actually don&#8217;t care much for the shrub, but that&#8217;s mainly because at first, he did what he believed was right, regardless of what people thought&#8230;.then he started caving in to poll pressure and started doing things like the democrats do&#8230;.don&#8217;t get me wrong, i&#8217;m not trying to vilify any particular party, because they both totally suck&#8230;.but a few things that people need to remember&#8230;.up until a few months ago, our economy was doing quite well, and for the record, bush created more jobs than his wildly popular partying, cigar smoking predecessor, and withstood personal attacks on his character worse than slick willy ever had to go thru even with the impeachment&#8230;everybody says bush lied&#8230;.that&#8217;s a crock&#8230;.he went off the same intelligence that the rest of the government had, INCLUDING the democrats, who mostly gathered and supported the invasion&#8230;.like hillary, in case ya didn&#8217;t know that&#8230;the point behind my letter is that regardless of why the war started, regardless of reasoning or intent, it&#8217;s our responsibility to finish it as best we can&#8230;.and btw, eu, i&#8217;ll bet you dollars to donuts i can match your whiny little news stories with stories from other vets, some of which are still over there, that support our actions in iraq and also believe that we cannot withdraw at this time&#8230;.one more thing, why don&#8217;t you stick to the spirit of the post instead of turning it into a condemnation of our government&#8230;our ELECTED government&#8230;.after all, if you hate it that much, you can always head north or south to get away from it</p>
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		<title>By: Cassie</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-760</guid>
		<description>Wow, they provided proof of the validity of my comments above.  Thanks Jami.  Oh, and congratulations Johnson, you succeeded in making Americans feel even worse about Bush's war than we already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, they provided proof of the validity of my comments above.  Thanks Jami.  Oh, and congratulations Johnson, you succeeded in making Americans feel even worse about Bush&#8217;s war than we already do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-638</guid>
		<description>rawr. discard my last post. I need some coffee to fully read through sentences it seems =0) My bad. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rawr. discard my last post. I need some coffee to fully read through sentences it seems =0) My bad. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-637</guid>
		<description>Get a clue, WLJ. This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation

ARE YOU SERIOUS? NOW OUR WHOLE NATION IS A MISTAKE?  wow, you are really convincing me over there EU. Please grace me with some more of your wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a clue, WLJ. This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation</p>
<p>ARE YOU SERIOUS? NOW OUR WHOLE NATION IS A MISTAKE?  wow, you are really convincing me over there EU. Please grace me with some more of your wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-636</guid>
		<description>eu, this thread is not about how bad you perceive the US economy, but about how much OUR military is hated in Iraq.

The facts are, regardless of what the major media does, or does not tell us,
the Iraqi People do not "hate" us as they would have us believe.

As far as your own personal economic status, if your personal situation is somewhat bleak, change it.

Why sit around waiting for some government bureaucrat to give you something they took from another American Citizen at the point of a gun.

Go out and create your own economic situation, people do it every day.

By the way, evolution or creationism?  I really want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eu, this thread is not about how bad you perceive the US economy, but about how much OUR military is hated in Iraq.</p>
<p>The facts are, regardless of what the major media does, or does not tell us,<br />
the Iraqi People do not &#8220;hate&#8221; us as they would have us believe.</p>
<p>As far as your own personal economic status, if your personal situation is somewhat bleak, change it.</p>
<p>Why sit around waiting for some government bureaucrat to give you something they took from another American Citizen at the point of a gun.</p>
<p>Go out and create your own economic situation, people do it every day.</p>
<p>By the way, evolution or creationism?  I really want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-633</guid>
		<description>Oh now Rexall,

He's just expressing how proud he is of the democrat installed economic policies of this country against the policies of a different nation that isn't as corrupt as this one.

As to his last comment of the "worst mistake made by any president..."

It shows his failure to study and comprehend history.


So goes the wanderings of the untrained brain....  But if he keeps hanging in here, he will learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh now Rexall,</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just expressing how proud he is of the democrat installed economic policies of this country against the policies of a different nation that isn&#8217;t as corrupt as this one.</p>
<p>As to his last comment of the &#8220;worst mistake made by any president&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It shows his failure to study and comprehend history.</p>
<p>So goes the wanderings of the untrained brain&#8230;.  But if he keeps hanging in here, he will learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Rexall</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-632</guid>
		<description>e u, 
You are kind of an odd duck aren't you! I don't think you know as much as you think you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e u,<br />
You are kind of an odd duck aren&#8217;t you! I don&#8217;t think you know as much as you think you do.</p>
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		<title>By: e u</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>e u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-627</guid>
		<description>On a day when we get a report that AMERICANS have lost 80,000 jobs, a five year record, WLJ tells us that the Iraqi government employees 1.2M Iraqis.

When we are having such a difficult time funding out own schools and higher education, WLJ attempts to fascinate us with "20 universities" in Iraq.

While WLJ touts the Iraqi media he slams our own.

While WLJ is giddy about the Iraqi stock market, our own market remains flat, our economy in recession, all while we have record deficits here in AMERICA.

As WLJ prisses his rhetoric in ribbons and curls in celebration of Iraqi outhouses, meanwhile, AMERICANS are faced with record home foreclosures. 
 
If Iraqi's are doing as good as WLJ contends and we are suffering here in AMERICA, then why would anyone be supporting Bush's 3-5 TRILLION dollar war?  

The whole purpose of Bush's death surge was to just buy him time to pass his disaster on to the next president.  Read the title that started this post:  "Cleaning up our mess in Iraq".  The original author seems to have bought into Bush's attempt to push his "MESS" off on others.  The simple fact is, you do not clean up a blood mess by spilling more blood.  MESS-o-potamia will be Bush's legacy and will be why historians will rank him as one of the worst presidents our nation has ever had.

Even with our AMERICAN presence and against Bush demands, Iraq has already been invaded by NATO country Turkey, The Iranians say they will never allow the Shiites to be held under foot by the Sunni again.  The Saudis say the will not allow the Shiiite majority to oppress the Sunni minority.  The Turks say they will not allow Kurd independence.  The Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis fight over oil revenues while Halliburton, CAIC, Titan, Blackwater, Bechtel, Aegis, Custer Battles, Nour, ExxonMobile, Chevron and KBR try to extend the war and fleece you and me in an attempt to trade AMERICAN lives for war profits.

When you have an Iraqi government which finds it impossible to get their act together to govern their own country, when you have Sunni v. Shiite v. Kurds v. Turks, when it costs you and me as AMERICANS 3-5 TRILLION dollars to suckle a nation who will keep coming back to the teat as they see that they do not have to provide for themselves and have "Daddy WARbucks" Cheney running interference for war profiteering, then it will NEVER be worth the life of one single brave AMERICAN military member.  

While there will always be a few like WLJ jumping for joy because Iraqi's have a patrol boat, most Americans have made it clear that they are disgusted with Bush's deceit, as reflected in his approval ratings.

Get a clue, WLJ.  This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a day when we get a report that AMERICANS have lost 80,000 jobs, a five year record, WLJ tells us that the Iraqi government employees 1.2M Iraqis.</p>
<p>When we are having such a difficult time funding out own schools and higher education, WLJ attempts to fascinate us with &#8220;20 universities&#8221; in Iraq.</p>
<p>While WLJ touts the Iraqi media he slams our own.</p>
<p>While WLJ is giddy about the Iraqi stock market, our own market remains flat, our economy in recession, all while we have record deficits here in AMERICA.</p>
<p>As WLJ prisses his rhetoric in ribbons and curls in celebration of Iraqi outhouses, meanwhile, AMERICANS are faced with record home foreclosures. </p>
<p>If Iraqi&#8217;s are doing as good as WLJ contends and we are suffering here in AMERICA, then why would anyone be supporting Bush&#8217;s 3-5 TRILLION dollar war?  </p>
<p>The whole purpose of Bush&#8217;s death surge was to just buy him time to pass his disaster on to the next president.  Read the title that started this post:  &#8220;Cleaning up our mess in Iraq&#8221;.  The original author seems to have bought into Bush&#8217;s attempt to push his &#8220;MESS&#8221; off on others.  The simple fact is, you do not clean up a blood mess by spilling more blood.  MESS-o-potamia will be Bush&#8217;s legacy and will be why historians will rank him as one of the worst presidents our nation has ever had.</p>
<p>Even with our AMERICAN presence and against Bush demands, Iraq has already been invaded by NATO country Turkey, The Iranians say they will never allow the Shiites to be held under foot by the Sunni again.  The Saudis say the will not allow the Shiiite majority to oppress the Sunni minority.  The Turks say they will not allow Kurd independence.  The Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis fight over oil revenues while Halliburton, CAIC, Titan, Blackwater, Bechtel, Aegis, Custer Battles, Nour, ExxonMobile, Chevron and KBR try to extend the war and fleece you and me in an attempt to trade AMERICAN lives for war profits.</p>
<p>When you have an Iraqi government which finds it impossible to get their act together to govern their own country, when you have Sunni v. Shiite v. Kurds v. Turks, when it costs you and me as AMERICANS 3-5 TRILLION dollars to suckle a nation who will keep coming back to the teat as they see that they do not have to provide for themselves and have &#8220;Daddy WARbucks&#8221; Cheney running interference for war profiteering, then it will NEVER be worth the life of one single brave AMERICAN military member.  </p>
<p>While there will always be a few like WLJ jumping for joy because Iraqi&#8217;s have a patrol boat, most Americans have made it clear that they are disgusted with Bush&#8217;s deceit, as reflected in his approval ratings.</p>
<p>Get a clue, WLJ.  This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/01/cleaning-up-our-mess-in-iraq/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another tidbit stolen, ripped off, and plagiarized from the United States Army Corp of Engineers website, listed in my previous post #30.

USACE staffers looking for warm clothing for needy Iraqi children, women

by John Connor
Gulf Region South district

Iraqi child at school where USACE personnel distributed school supplies and toys and later inspected a nearby project site. (USACE photo by Michael Fellenz)

TALLIL, Iraq – U.S. Army Corps of Engineers personnel do more in Iraq than just
build public facilities.

In their spare time, some Corps people work to help the Iraqi people in more
personal and direct ways.

Edmay Mayers, a USACE employee now departed from Iraq, set a high standard
in this regard at USACE’s Gulf Region South district by collecting and distributing loads of toys and clothing to needy Iraq children. After Mayers returned home several months ago, her duties were assumed by Natalie Sudman and Michael Fellenz of the GRS staff.

The 130 degree days of summer in Iraq are long gone and the nights and early
mornings grow chillier by the day, even in southern Iraq. And Fellenz reports an urgent need for warm clothing for about 60 Iraqi children, boys and girls of varying ages and sizes, as well as sweaters and other warm garments for approximately 30 Iraqi widows.

That’s the starting line, said Fellenz, who added that it won’t be hard to locate more people in need if more clothing becomes available.

As for now, he said, a clear need has been identified through an Iraq engineer working with USACE for warm clothing for 60 children, plus boots, gloves, mittens, sweaters and other warm clothes of various sizes for 30 women.

Fellenz is on his second tour in Iraq and said from experience that “it gets cold here,” down in the 30s Fahrenheit at night. And it's a “bone chilling" kind of cold, he added.

Fellenz knows something about cold. He comes from Buffalo, N.Y., and works for the Corps Buffalo District Office when he is not in Iraq.

Persons who have winter clothing to donate can send their items to Michael Fellenz or Natalie Sudman, USACE GRS, APO AE, 09331.

Note: John Connor is a public affairs officer with the Gulf Region South district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Iraq. For more information, contact him at 540-665-2656 or email requests to:

CEGRD.PAO@tac01.usace.army.mil. 

For more information on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Iraq,
visit www.grd.usace.army.mil.

Just another example of OUR military being cruel and vicious  to the People of Iraq as not reported to the United States Citizens by the major media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another tidbit stolen, ripped off, and plagiarized from the United States Army Corp of Engineers website, listed in my previous post #30.</p>
<p>USACE staffers looking for warm clothing for needy Iraqi children, women</p>
<p>by John Connor<br />
Gulf Region South district</p>
<p>Iraqi child at school where USACE personnel distributed school supplies and toys and later inspected a nearby project site. (USACE photo by Michael Fellenz)</p>
<p>TALLIL, Iraq – U.S. Army Corps of Engineers personnel do more in Iraq than just<br />
build public facilities.</p>
<p>In their spare time, some Corps people work to help the Iraqi people in more<br />
personal and direct ways.</p>
<p>Edmay Mayers, a USACE employee now departed from Iraq, set a high standard<br />
in this regard at USACE’s Gulf Region South district by collecting and distributing loads of toys and clothing to needy Iraq children. After Mayers returned home several months ago, her duties were assumed by Natalie Sudman and Michael Fellenz of the GRS staff.</p>
<p>The 130 degree days of summer in Iraq are long gone and the nights and early<br />
mornings grow chillier by the day, even in southern Iraq. And Fellenz reports an urgent need for warm clothing for about 60 Iraqi children, boys and girls of varying ages and sizes, as well as sweaters and other warm garments for approximately 30 Iraqi widows.</p>
<p>That’s the starting line, said Fellenz, who added that it won’t be hard to locate more people in need if more clothing becomes available.</p>
<p>As for now, he said, a clear need has been identified through an Iraq engineer working with USACE for warm clothing for 60 children, plus boots, gloves, mittens, sweaters and other warm clothes of various sizes for 30 women.</p>
<p>Fellenz is on his second tour in Iraq and said from experience that “it gets cold here,” down in the 30s Fahrenheit at night. And it&#8217;s a “bone chilling&#8221; kind of cold, he added.</p>
<p>Fellenz knows something about cold. He comes from Buffalo, N.Y., and works for the Corps Buffalo District Office when he is not in Iraq.</p>
<p>Persons who have winter clothing to donate can send their items to Michael Fellenz or Natalie Sudman, USACE GRS, APO AE, 09331.</p>
<p>Note: John Connor is a public affairs officer with the Gulf Region South district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Iraq. For more information, contact him at 540-665-2656 or email requests to:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:CEGRD.PAO@tac01.usace.army.mil">CEGRD.PAO@tac01.usace.army.mil</a>. </p>
<p>For more information on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Iraq,<br />
visit <a href="http://www.grd.usace.army.mil." rel="nofollow">http://www.grd.usace.army.mil.</a></p>
<p>Just another example of OUR military being cruel and vicious  to the People of Iraq as not reported to the United States Citizens by the major media.</p>
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