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With all due respect to those against the war, those who demand an immediate pullout aren’t thinking things through to their logical conclusion. If we pull out at this time, the situation in Iraq would fall into even worse chaos than what’s happening now, and we’d see the worst humanitarian disaster since the fall of Saigon.
There would be ethnic cleansing of the worst kind, with petty warlords vying for a foothold of power, wiping out any who stand in their way
No matter how you feel about the war in Iraq, shouldn’t we be responsible for cleaning up our mess?
KEVIN MCCURLEY
Grand Junction
41 Responses to “Cleaning up our mess in Iraq”
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 10:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
I don’t agree with the idea of an immediate pull-out from Iraq, but a sensible withdrawal.
The U.S. should pull back, continue to offer training and support for the iraqi troops, and eventually be able to withdraw our troops (to a point). It is inevitable that there will be a U.S. presence in Iraq for many years, but we need to get out troops out of harm’s way now, as much, and as quickly, as possible. Continuing the occupation as it is now is only causing irreparable damage in a multitude of ways.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Those troops that you want out so bad, they signed up to be there. They believe in a cause and the government. They believe we can make positive changes there. They are willing to sacrafice, they know this isn’t a club med position.
Who are we, the civilian public to speak for them? A soldier falls, and while it is tragic, people forget they were doing what they believed in. Simply put, we turn it into a personal, selfish issue. One of loss, because the soldier is no longer there. Its not about them anymore, its about the living and our inability to let go without placing blame.
Meanwhile the people of Iraq will suffer. Lets withdraw because there has been continous peace and stability in the nation, not because we are not willing to let our trained troops do thier job.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I am not speaking for our troops, but you seem to take offense that proposing any sensible idea of withdrawal is against the wishes of the troops?
Who, then, is speaking for the troops. You, Jami?
Believing in a cause is all well and good, but not if the “cause” is to enrich a few for the lives of many.
This whole diatribe seems to be “speaking for the troops”, so, somehow, YOU possess a connection as to what they’re beliefs are? Who supplied that to you, Bush and Co?
And, you have an idea on how to achieve continuous peace and stability in this region? What might that be?
You seem pretty willing to let the “status quo” continue, and we’ll find out what the “war” plan is, some day. (if there is one)
Sacrificing the troops for a senseless war is not a patriotic act, as much as you would like to believe!
(oh, and I fully expect responses from your other troll buddies)
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
“I don’t agree with the idea of an immediate pull-out from Iraq, but a sensible withdrawal.”
“sensible” in whose opinion Roland?
Yours?
“Sacrificing the troops for a senseless war is not a patriotic act”
“senseless”? another of your ill informed opinions?
And yes, I do have a plan.
We’ll gather up all the antiwar whiners and send the to Iraq to meet with the islamo-facists and explain that all we want is peace and tranquility and love throughout the world.
That way, all the murderous thugs pretending to be Muslims will tired of the screeching in their ears, lay down their scimitars, IEDs, assorted lowtech explosive weapons and go home to live in peace and harmony until the end of days.
“(oh, and I fully expect responses from your other troll buddies)”
4boy, toamoron and others are not Jamis troll buddies.
They belong to you.
have a nice day, and welcome back.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 1:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Roland. Come on. I am not Willis, no need to throw the “Bush an Co” sentiments at me. I am not a troll, they are not my buddies. *sigh* If you really even care to know how I feel then read the archives. I don’t speak for the troops. I speak for from the common sense stand point of, its a job they signed up for willingly, and believe it or not, some enjoy. I know its a hard concept for some to grasp, but from the many soldiers I have asked personally…. Its an honor to protect our country. Its perhaps, the hardest job in the world, which is exactly what drives them.
What would drive Prince Harry to go to the front lines of war?
Do I pretend to know how to bring peace to that region? NO, I am saying this would be a solid reason for troop withdrawl. It should be the only reason we withdrawl. Once again, my opinion.
I HATE politics. I do. The blame game has to stop. I dont care whose policies are who’s, I am the small American screaming shut up and do something!!! I dont care if a republican or democrat does it, I want progress! I want it done right for a change. I am sure we can all agree on that.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
On a side note I love the way you attcked me personally. Comedy =0) I guess that makes you the joke of the day?
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Smile Jami.
Life is good.
We don’t speak “for” the troops any more than the “troll party” does.
Roland and friends have no plan, just abandon any progress we have made, and hope the bad guys just “stay away and leave us alone”.
They don’t like facts, and they certainly don’t like having the shortcomings of their heroes pointed out.
And as far as picking on teenagers?
Somebody has to. ;=)
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
You’re opinion does not necessarily translate to “facts”, Johnson.The only “heroes” in this situation are the troops who are being sacrificed to this “senseless” war.
I mentioned earlier, “sensible” withdrawal would seem to be a plan, just not in your intellectual agenda.
Jami, I fail to see where I attacked you personally, or what you might deem as “comedy”. Now, “joke of the day” is not a “personal” attack from you?
I have a hard time believing that 100% of these troops knew what they were signing up for (and serving 2, 3, or 4 tours) Did National Guard troops sign up for this? You’ve spoken with them all?
And, yes, “senseless” is my opinion, and I have every right to my opinion, as much as it might exasperate those who think that they OWN this forum. As has been said before, there really is no “discussion” with some folks here, only feeding in to their baiting and their pretending to be morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. .
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
“You’re opinion does not necessarily translate to “facts”, Johnson.”
So far, my opinion is the only one presented that is based on facts.
Not fantasies dreamed up by whoever gave you the phrase “senseless war”, which is currently being used by the major media, the liberal whackos in congress (harry the war is lost reid), etc.
You have no grasp of exactly “WHY” we are in Iraq. Only what you are told to think by those “smarter” than you in your pathetic world.
I’m dreadfully sorry that ht brain transplant didn’t go as planned.
Your family has my sympathies.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I don’t speak for them. You don’t speak for them. Neihter one of us is in the armed forces,I presume? You have your opinion and I have mine. Glad we have that settled. Just because I dont agree with you doesn’t mean I am not open to it.
This whole diatribe seems to be “speaking for the troops”, so, somehow, YOU possess a connection as to what they’re beliefs are? Who supplied that to you, Bush and Co?
Thats not attacking me? okay how about this?…..
(oh, and I fully expect responses from your other troll buddies)
I do OWN this forum. and so do you. Have a nice day.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Jami: I don’t OWN this forum. This is supposed to be an exchange of ideas and opinions, not owned by anyone.
I am not the one who posted earlier, saying that “this is what the troops believe”. I don’t pretend to speak for the troops, never have. As dedicated military, our troops believe in obeying orders. Their opinions are not factored in to the equation.
If you are “open to it”, maybe it’s time to give it some real thought, then. I do apologize, though, for lumping you in with the trolls that think they have all the answers on this forum. Sorry! I do appreciate your having an open-mind.
Willis_Leon_Johnson continues to tell me who guides my thinking, and what concepts I can grasp. How do you know these things, Johnson?.Intellectually superior mind-reader, are you?
Your credibility is lacking, Johnson, particularly because you can’t seem to finish a paragraph or a thought without insulting someone. ( I will await your response, I’m sure it’s more of the same)
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I agree with you roland, this is supposed to be an exchange of ideas. I scroll through the letters here everyday but rarely leave comments because some seem to attack anyone’s opinion if it’s not based on 100% fact. Well, if it were, it would be a fact and not an opinion. I for one support our troops, and by supporting them, I mean I want to see them all come home safely. I’ve lost friends to this war and while I know they signed up to protect and fight for our country, it doesn’t make me feel any better about their deaths. I hope there is, as you say, a “sensible” withdrawal. I think we often forget when we enter other countries to offer help or whatever, that they are just that–other countries. They have different ideas and different ways of living. While we might not always agree with those ideas, we need to keep their own beliefs in mind while helping them to build a country that is safer for ALL there, both citizens and soldiers.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Here’s an example of willis and his “facts”: “We’ll gather up all the antiwar whiners and send the to Iraq to meet with the islamo-facists and explain that all we want is peace and tranquility and love throughout the world.”
Good one willis, how about sending 64% of the nation who thinks the war was a bad idea? I think a better idea would be to send the 28% who still loooove Shrub, since you all think its such a wonderful war.
Here is a nice refutation of fan-boy’s favorite term, which wasn’t invented until the neocon crowd realized they needed a more ominous sounding enemy than just ‘terrorists.’ From wikipedia:
The term, “Islamofascism” has been criticized by Western scholars and journalists alike. One of the world’s leading authorities on Fascism, Walter Laqueur, after reviewing this and related terms, concluded that “Islamic fascism, Islamophobia and antisemitism, each in its way, are imprecise terms we could well do without but it is doubtful whether they can be removed from our political lexicon.”[19]
Cultural historian Richard Webster has argued that grouping many different political ideologies, terrorist and insurgent groups, governments, and religious sects into one single idea of “Islamofascism” may lead to an oversimplification of the phenomenon of terrorism.[20] In a similar vein the left-wing National Security Network argues that the term dangerously obscures important distinctions and differences between groups of Islamic extremists while alienating moderate voices in the Muslim World because it “creates the perception that the United States is fighting a religious war against Islam.”[21] Other critics, such as former National Review columnist Joseph Sobran, and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman argue that it is predominantly a propaganda term used by proponents of the War on Terror.[22][23][24] Yet others, such as security expert Daniel Benjamin, political scientist Norman Finkelstein and The American Conservative columnist Daniel Larison, highlight the claim that despite its use as a piece of propaganda the term is inherently meaningless, since as Benjamin notes, “there is no sense in which jihadists embrace fascist ideology as it was developed by Mussolini or anyone else who was associated with the term.”[25][26][27] Conservative British historian Niall Ferguson points out that this political use of what he calls a “completely misleading concept,” is “just a way of making us feel that we’re the ‘greatest generation’ fighting another World War.”[28] Harping on the claimed incongruity between the “Muslim World” and “industrial state fascism,” American journalist Eric Margolis claims that ironically the most totalitarian Islamic regimes, “in fact, are America’s allies.”[29]
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
As for the idea that the troops all believe one way or the other, or that you or I may know what the troops are thinking, it is much more accurate to think of our military as a slice right out of the American populace. Left, right, black, white and everything in between.
And willis, if you want to throw around the term “antiwar whiner”, please sling it towards Garret Reppenhagen and Jeff Engelhart, and thousands of other veterans who feel the war was a bad idea to begin with. If we’re antiwar whiners, what are you? “Bloodthirsty armchair warrior?”
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Roland and jami and gapeach, I also agree that exchange of ideas is vital to our survival. Also vital is kicking out inane, vapid, pointless ideas that will help no one.
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
You are still buying the Bush administration lies? I think flip-flopping Cheney had it right during the first gulf war. Cheney’s flip-flop
Posted April 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Pay no attention the trolls WLJ and Jami who probably have not sacrificed one damn thing, besides their credibility, for Bush’s war. They are content to spew their garbage as long as it is others making the sacrifices. They may be good at sucking each other’s pabulum but when it comes to critical analysis, we all wittness the vast void between their ossicles. Figure it out for yourself.
Read what our veterans and their families are saying about Bush’s insane war:
A father’s words here: Augie Schroeder
A brother’s words here: Pat Tillman
Our service members here: Military members support anti-Bush War candidates
Watch the progression of Bush’s insanity here.
Read what Bush has said here.
Read about the folly of Bush’s surge here.
Read of the opposition by our Generals, Veterans, Americans and the world to Bush’s delusions: here and here.
Watch the disdain our military members in Iraq have for Bush’s stupidity here.
“It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” -Donald Rumsfeld, 7 Feb 2003
“I think it will go relatively quickly, weeks rather than months.” The Dick, Cheney 16 Mar 2003
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 5:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sounds to me like you may be one of these people that does not know the definition of a lie.
Seems to me that if President Bush lied to Congress then he would have been impeached just like Bill Clinton was impeached. I’m sure your now going to tell me how wrong I am.
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
WOW, the toaamonkey sure had a lot to say.
Too bad he never cited any of his data with reliable sources.
He used “western scholars”, as in ward churchill? a ‘tenured’ professor that lied repeatedly to pretend he was a Native American?
He used “journalists”, well known, and proven to be, biased against anything conservative, and particularly HATE BUSH.
He cited “wikipedia”, an online, open source reference that can be added to, subtracted from, or otherwise edited with out any form of accuracy checking.
“one single idea of “Islamofascism” may lead to an oversimplification of the phenomenon of terrorism.”
I must oversimplify, it’s the people I’m dealing with.
“We’ll gather up all the antiwar whiners and send the to Iraq to meet with the islamo-facists and explain that all we want is peace and tranquility and love throughout the world.”
There is a historical precedent. And the entire world, except for the poorly educated in this country, learned a hard lesson.
I received a PM from an observer that helped put things into perspective, but first I must ask a question.
Do you subscribe to evolution or creationism?
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dons the refferee stripes. sits on the edge of my seat cuz this is gonna get goood!!!!!!!
I will give a real response a little later on. Stupid thing called work in my way. Boys and girls fight fair today =0)
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Post #15
“Also vital is kicking out inane, vapid, pointless ideas that will help no one.”
Let’s see, you throw out historical fact because it doesn’t meet your fantasies, you start personal attacks on me because I won’t let you rewrite history, and now you want to throw out your positions?
Well, OK, but it was just getting to the good parts.
Maybe then we can get back to good, honest, real discussions.
Jami, I’m sorry that you need to work for a living.
What would you rather be doing?
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 11:54 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
If discussion is not based on what people feel, or on their opinions, and is instead based soley on factual data, then it’s not a discussion. It is instead a string of paragraphs with lists of facts. Discussion is supposed to be based on people’s ideas, thoughts, feelings, emotions…some of us are trying, desperately, to have honest “discussions” here, and we don’t feel the need to write a research paper and back up every single feeling we have with facts! I’m not getting graded on my opinion–or at least I didn’t think I was.
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Feelings?
Feelings are emotions.
So if I were to ask “how do you feel about the war?”,
would be an entirely different question from “what do you think about the war?”.
Nearly every American would ‘feel’ that war is never a good thing. It just causes dead people, and broken things.
However, war is inevitable fact of life. As long as there are evil people desirous of other peoples stuff, there will be wars.
If it’s feelings you want to discuss, that’s fine.
Just remember, this isn’t a group therapy thing, so you may find your feelings are not treated with much respect or kindness…
Your thoughts are always welcome, just don’t try to throw out facts in favor of a political position.
Fair enough?
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
just try to remember the point of the letter, foks….too many people are demanding an immediate withdrawal without considering the consequences of doing so….whether you support the war or not isn’t the point…we’re there, and we’re ultimately responsible for these people because of that fact…we cannot just abandon them until they can stand on their own feet.
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ha, Willis you finally wrote something I agree with. And yes, hitekredneck, you’re right, we cannot abandon them.
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Just because I truly believe in supporting the troops, consider the following.
During WWII, the military was engaged in a war, and the entire nation was behind them, except for a few sympathizers that felt bad the enemy was getting beat up on.
Then came Korea. Not technically a “war” but more of a “police action” brought on by that illustrious bunch at the UN.
Now, our military wasn’t allowed to do military stuff, like actually win the ‘police action’, but instead had to play nice to keep the other team from feeling badly.
Our team would beat them up a little, then be forced to sit back while the other team regrouped and brought up more weapons and troops.
In short, they were a political, diplomatic play toy.
Since that time, nearly every time the military has been used it has only been a diplomatic tool. And that has caused more US Military deaths than actual all-out war would have cost.
Here’s a new way to support the troops.
If ‘diplomacy’ breaks down, and the military is committed to combat, the only diplomatic negotiations left will be the terms of unconditional surrender of the other team….
100% support, not only by the Commander in Chief, but the congress as well.
No more stabbing the military in the back by cutting funding for weapons and support.
No more conceding defeat on the floor of the senate, no more jack murtha declaring troops guilty of some mysterious crime based solely on the word of the enemy.
No more allowing other countries to threaten to charge our military members with murder charges in civilian courts in foreign lands.
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 6:35 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wonderful! Now we have Johnson using the old NAZI propaganda line that “we would have won the war, but we were betrayed on he home front.” I wonder if such people realize that their words and rationale have been used many times before. Of course, it is quite refreshing to see that some people are reading. It is just too bad that their reading list is restricted to “Mein Kampf.”
Posted April 2nd, 2008 at 8:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Poor robert, since he lives in Delta, he thinks he are bright.
I never heard the line of which you speak, perhaps it’s because I never spent much time sitting around visiting with the NAZIs of which you speak?
It is wonderful to know that you are still living down to my expectations.
It’s nice to know that you are always willing to lower the bar to below ground level with your ‘wisdom’…
Posted April 4th, 2008 at 12:03 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Thanks for the links eu. Made me cry in seeing the state of our country laid bare. Every American should read these American hero families’ impassioned pleas before voting in the next election. And you are right about the trolls. I think they get their jollies writing the most dumb stuff they can come up with. Makes ‘em look important in their own eyes to see their ridiculousness in print. Oh well, probably better to allow them to play their games here than out in the real world.
Posted April 4th, 2008 at 7:19 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Golly Cassie, did it ever occur to you that the sites eu posted are DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU CRY?
Here’s some more facts for you to peruse and hopefully make you feel better.
Did you know that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq?
Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?
Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,
364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?
Did you know that Iraq ’s higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating?
Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?
Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.
Did you know that Iraq ’s Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?
Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?
Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?
Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?
Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ?
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.
Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?
Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?
Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?
OF COURSE WE DIDN’T KNOW!
WHY DIDN’T WE KNOW?
BECAUSE… OUR MEDIA WOULDN’T TELL US!
Instead of reflecting our love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.
Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two purposes:
It is intended to undermine the world’s perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support, and it is intended to discourage American citizens .
—- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site..
http://www.defense.gov/
http://www.pentagon.mil/
http://www.grd.usace.army.mil/index.asp (here you can check on the progress of infrastructure in Iraq)
Posted April 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
*giggles* She cracks me up. What real world is she in?
Posted April 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Another tidbit stolen, ripped off, and plagiarized from the United States Army Corp of Engineers website, listed in my previous post #30.
USACE staffers looking for warm clothing for needy Iraqi children, women
by John Connor
Gulf Region South district
Iraqi child at school where USACE personnel distributed school supplies and toys and later inspected a nearby project site. (USACE photo by Michael Fellenz)
TALLIL, Iraq – U.S. Army Corps of Engineers personnel do more in Iraq than just
build public facilities.
In their spare time, some Corps people work to help the Iraqi people in more
personal and direct ways.
Edmay Mayers, a USACE employee now departed from Iraq, set a high standard
in this regard at USACE’s Gulf Region South district by collecting and distributing loads of toys and clothing to needy Iraq children. After Mayers returned home several months ago, her duties were assumed by Natalie Sudman and Michael Fellenz of the GRS staff.
The 130 degree days of summer in Iraq are long gone and the nights and early
mornings grow chillier by the day, even in southern Iraq. And Fellenz reports an urgent need for warm clothing for about 60 Iraqi children, boys and girls of varying ages and sizes, as well as sweaters and other warm garments for approximately 30 Iraqi widows.
That’s the starting line, said Fellenz, who added that it won’t be hard to locate more people in need if more clothing becomes available.
As for now, he said, a clear need has been identified through an Iraq engineer working with USACE for warm clothing for 60 children, plus boots, gloves, mittens, sweaters and other warm clothes of various sizes for 30 women.
Fellenz is on his second tour in Iraq and said from experience that “it gets cold here,” down in the 30s Fahrenheit at night. And it’s a “bone chilling” kind of cold, he added.
Fellenz knows something about cold. He comes from Buffalo, N.Y., and works for the Corps Buffalo District Office when he is not in Iraq.
Persons who have winter clothing to donate can send their items to Michael Fellenz or Natalie Sudman, USACE GRS, APO AE, 09331.
Note: John Connor is a public affairs officer with the Gulf Region South district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Iraq. For more information, contact him at 540-665-2656 or email requests to:
CEGRD.PAO@tac01.usace.army.mil.
For more information on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Iraq,
visit http://www.grd.usace.army.mil.
Just another example of OUR military being cruel and vicious to the People of Iraq as not reported to the United States Citizens by the major media.
Posted April 4th, 2008 at 10:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
On a day when we get a report that AMERICANS have lost 80,000 jobs, a five year record, WLJ tells us that the Iraqi government employees 1.2M Iraqis.
When we are having such a difficult time funding out own schools and higher education, WLJ attempts to fascinate us with “20 universities” in Iraq.
While WLJ touts the Iraqi media he slams our own.
While WLJ is giddy about the Iraqi stock market, our own market remains flat, our economy in recession, all while we have record deficits here in AMERICA.
As WLJ prisses his rhetoric in ribbons and curls in celebration of Iraqi outhouses, meanwhile, AMERICANS are faced with record home foreclosures.
If Iraqi’s are doing as good as WLJ contends and we are suffering here in AMERICA, then why would anyone be supporting Bush’s 3-5 TRILLION dollar war?
The whole purpose of Bush’s death surge was to just buy him time to pass his disaster on to the next president. Read the title that started this post: “Cleaning up our mess in Iraq”. The original author seems to have bought into Bush’s attempt to push his “MESS” off on others. The simple fact is, you do not clean up a blood mess by spilling more blood. MESS-o-potamia will be Bush’s legacy and will be why historians will rank him as one of the worst presidents our nation has ever had.
Even with our AMERICAN presence and against Bush demands, Iraq has already been invaded by NATO country Turkey, The Iranians say they will never allow the Shiites to be held under foot by the Sunni again. The Saudis say the will not allow the Shiiite majority to oppress the Sunni minority. The Turks say they will not allow Kurd independence. The Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis fight over oil revenues while Halliburton, CAIC, Titan, Blackwater, Bechtel, Aegis, Custer Battles, Nour, ExxonMobile, Chevron and KBR try to extend the war and fleece you and me in an attempt to trade AMERICAN lives for war profits.
When you have an Iraqi government which finds it impossible to get their act together to govern their own country, when you have Sunni v. Shiite v. Kurds v. Turks, when it costs you and me as AMERICANS 3-5 TRILLION dollars to suckle a nation who will keep coming back to the teat as they see that they do not have to provide for themselves and have “Daddy WARbucks” Cheney running interference for war profiteering, then it will NEVER be worth the life of one single brave AMERICAN military member.
While there will always be a few like WLJ jumping for joy because Iraqi’s have a patrol boat, most Americans have made it clear that they are disgusted with Bush’s deceit, as reflected in his approval ratings.
Get a clue, WLJ. This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation.
Posted April 5th, 2008 at 7:21 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
e u,
You are kind of an odd duck aren’t you! I don’t think you know as much as you think you do.
Posted April 5th, 2008 at 7:48 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Oh now Rexall,
He’s just expressing how proud he is of the democrat installed economic policies of this country against the policies of a different nation that isn’t as corrupt as this one.
As to his last comment of the “worst mistake made by any president…”
It shows his failure to study and comprehend history.
So goes the wanderings of the untrained brain…. But if he keeps hanging in here, he will learn.
Posted April 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
eu, this thread is not about how bad you perceive the US economy, but about how much OUR military is hated in Iraq.
The facts are, regardless of what the major media does, or does not tell us,
the Iraqi People do not “hate” us as they would have us believe.
As far as your own personal economic status, if your personal situation is somewhat bleak, change it.
Why sit around waiting for some government bureaucrat to give you something they took from another American Citizen at the point of a gun.
Go out and create your own economic situation, people do it every day.
By the way, evolution or creationism? I really want to know.
Posted April 5th, 2008 at 10:57 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Get a clue, WLJ. This is the worst mistake ever made by an American president since the founding of our nation
ARE YOU SERIOUS? NOW OUR WHOLE NATION IS A MISTAKE? wow, you are really convincing me over there EU. Please grace me with some more of your wisdom.
Posted April 5th, 2008 at 10:59 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
rawr. discard my last post. I need some coffee to fully read through sentences it seems =0) My bad. LOL
Posted April 9th, 2008 at 7:36 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow, they provided proof of the validity of my comments above. Thanks Jami. Oh, and congratulations Johnson, you succeeded in making Americans feel even worse about Bush’s war than we already do.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 4:36 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
oh good greif….mr johnson, it isn’t that i disagree with your stance, but ya’ll seem to missing the original intent of my letter…it isn’t to place blame on anybody, esp not gw bush…i think it’s hilarious how everybody seems to think that bush is a step below hitler, for purely emotional reasons…e u is a prime example….i actually don’t care much for the shrub, but that’s mainly because at first, he did what he believed was right, regardless of what people thought….then he started caving in to poll pressure and started doing things like the democrats do….don’t get me wrong, i’m not trying to vilify any particular party, because they both totally suck….but a few things that people need to remember….up until a few months ago, our economy was doing quite well, and for the record, bush created more jobs than his wildly popular partying, cigar smoking predecessor, and withstood personal attacks on his character worse than slick willy ever had to go thru even with the impeachment…everybody says bush lied….that’s a crock….he went off the same intelligence that the rest of the government had, INCLUDING the democrats, who mostly gathered and supported the invasion….like hillary, in case ya didn’t know that…the point behind my letter is that regardless of why the war started, regardless of reasoning or intent, it’s our responsibility to finish it as best we can….and btw, eu, i’ll bet you dollars to donuts i can match your whiny little news stories with stories from other vets, some of which are still over there, that support our actions in iraq and also believe that we cannot withdraw at this time….one more thing, why don’t you stick to the spirit of the post instead of turning it into a condemnation of our government…our ELECTED government….after all, if you hate it that much, you can always head north or south to get away from it
Posted April 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
munchie…
classic scorched earth…
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