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A few weeks ago, several groups of people banded together to “protest” the death of 4,000 of our soldiers in the war on terror in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world. For several weeks beforehand they watched as the numbers crept up, looking for the death that would signal the symbolic turn to 4,000.
For their protest march, which actually comprised a number of different grievances all gathered for one rally and parade, they placed little crosses in the ground to symbolize each of those lost protecting our freedom.
We support their right to gather, their right to discuss and their right to disagree; after all, it is our sons and daughters who are fighting in every corner of the globe so that they can have that right. What we find unacceptable is the groups’ hijacking of our children’s service and memories to promote their protest — a protest that most of us strongly disagree with. Do they have the permission from each of the families of the fallen to use their child’s name and memory? Do they really believe that those families and those sons and daughters want their sacrifices used for propaganda that cheapens what they have given?
No one grieves more than a mother for a child who has made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom, and no one has the right to cheapen or waste that sacrifice by using the deaths of our children for their propaganda. Our children are our blessings, our pride and our joy. We are the Blue Star Mothers, the proud mothers of children who have volunteered to serve our country. We have our shared memories of raising our children, we pray for them daily no matter where they are. We are the ones who wait for phone calls, letters and emails, and who rush to locations across the country to welcome them home, whether it is safely into our arms, for healing in a hospital or to lay them gently in the ground.
The men and women who serve are not a tool for protests. They are not a number to be discussed and argued over. They are serving a noble purpose. Those who say they support the troops but disagree with the war should change their tactics. Our children will come home when the job is done. Let’s support them to get the job done. Instead of rallies of protest, why not gather cards and letters of support, simple but necessary supplies that our troops need, food items, etc., and bring them to Blue Star Moms to send overseas? Instead of protesting on a corner, hold a car wash and use the money to purchase needed equipment in a rehab facility. Instead of signs of protest, fly signs reminding people of what you are grateful for that our country offers — that will stop traffic! Look for the similarities, not always the differences, that make us the United States of America.
Fly your flag, celebrate that all of us in America have the freedom to choose and then, please pray for our children who have chosen to defend the freedom for all of us.
THERESA BLOOM, WENDY HOFFMAN, RICKI GAVELL, KAROL FELTMAN, JULIE DOMINGUEZ, PATRICIA WHEELER, ANNA MARIE BODEN, SUZANNE DANIELS, SHEILA DECOCQ, ROBIN WADE, JULIE INGRAM, KATHY GOSSELIN
Grand Valley Blue Star Mothers
Colorado Chapter No. 4
Grand Junction
48 Responses to “Mothers of veterans take exception with war protest”
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
ladies, i proudly support and salute you….yours is a true voice of reason, so i doubt you’ll hear anything from the protesters….i pray for the safe return of your sons and daughters, and thank them for their efforts to make the world a better place
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
THANK YOU LADIES!
Our Prayers and wishes are with you and your offspring wherever they may be.
My wife and I have several “adoptees” that we send CARE packages to fairly regularly.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
God Bless You and Yours!!! Thank You for the sacrifices that you make every day as mothers, and to your children for laying their life on the line each and every day!!
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
How in the world are protestors of Bush’s war, not the unfortunate military people having to fight it, hijacking your “chldrens service and memories”?People who grieve over every one of the lives lost are “cheapening what they have given”? The very fact of the war has cheapened our country and every one of us, particularly those who have been needlessly sacrificed and the protestors haven’t been fooled by those trying to make opposition to the war somehow unpatriotic. The sad fact is that your sons and daughters have been sacrficed for naught and you are confusing their loyal and valiant efforts with the apparent need to blindly take the position that if our leadership sent them into a stupid and criminal war, lack of support for the war somehow is lack of support for those in the service of our country. Exactly the opposite is the case. That’s why they protest. Your sons and daughters have been put into an untenable position fighting for a rationale that has yet to be honestly and clearly defined. If anybody has a right and duty to protest it should be your group.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Well spoken, John B.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Jojn Boy, you really don’y have a clue so why don’t you do us all a favor and since you don’t have anything good to say try keeping quite!
Its not Bushes war its our war, a just one at that!
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Poor John. He doesn’t even realize how socially inept the is.
To the Mothers, please accept our apologies for this blatant expression of HATE for anything good about America.
Now, on to little johnnie.
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge.
Stupidity is the failure to avail oneself of knowledge which would relieve the ignorance problem.
To steadfastly refuse to gain knowledge in order to maintain their ignorance is so far beyond stupid as to qualify for the label “liberal”.
You, and the little pipsqueak both OWE the MOTHERS an apology.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
The ladies complain about a demonstration against the war. If they were not so “into themselves”, and engaged in self-pity, they would have to admit that their sons and daughters are the victims of a “war of choice and opportunity” initiated by the current Washington administration. Had they, and many others paid more attention to what was going on and really understood it, which was their civic duty to do, their offspring would not now be engaged in that conflict. Like many, they were either “too busy”, had “other priorities”, or simply “did not care.”
Yes, it is unfortunate when some person in the military is either killed or injured but, the real failing parties are the ones who either put them there, or allow it to be done when it was not necessary.
Instead of directing their ire at the protestors, perhaps the ladies would care to expend considerably more time reasearching the lead-up to the war in Iraq and what has happened since. Their “exception” might then be directed where it should be, at the occupants of the offices of the presidency and vice-presidency, and their sycophants.
Were the ladies better informed, they would by now have come to the realization that the Iraqi conflict was a war for “oil.” That has been admitted to by none other than an architect of it, Paul Wolfowitz, and the former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank, Alan Greenspan.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 4:14 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
If several posters on this string, Willis Leon Johnson and Rexall, were themselves better informed, first by checking the accuracy of their sources, as well as gaining some appreciation of subject matter, they might have some basis to speak on issues, as well as requesting of others that they remain “quiet”. It is apparent that they are in possession of neither. Given the frequency and shallowness of their posts, one can readily conclude that, like most in their situation, they believe the number of sounds they utter, or the number of words they use, makes them appear “intelligent.” Actually, it does the exact opposite, much as one would not consider the “babbling” of an infant “words of wisdom.” It is most frequently those lacking in knowledge and understanding who use the most words, perhaps to cover the absence of both. Both individuals may wish to recall the old caution. “T’is best to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt” or the other, “Engage mind prior to engaging mouth.”
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 4:35 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Another mindless lib doing what they do best.
My knowledge does not come from the likes of Moveon.org which you must be quoting. My facts come from my current two family Marines and my one family former Marine. You see, I will take thier word over yours, or the news media’s, or hollywood’s or any of your little liberal friends that want to spout off about things they know nothing about.
I have heard about the legitimate reasons, all the dead bad guys that just wanted to kill Americans any place they could do it, the brain washing in the schools that all americans must die.
I have heard about all the great things we have done over there and all that remains to be done.
I have heard about the vast majority of our troops wanting to stay there until the job is done—-because it is a just war.
And I have heard about how the war protesters embolden our enemies and give them strength.
Don’t lecture me about being uninformed—-I live it—-from afar—but I live it just like these mothers live it.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 4:49 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
bobbie,
Check out the definition of liberal in this thread.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 5:01 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Okay, let me get this straight; people are “hijacking” the memories of soldiers, by saying they don’t want any more of them to die? So, “supporting” the troops means blindly, mutely, and unswervingly supporting the Administration who sent them to get killed in the first place?
“Lay them gently in the ground?” Wow, how sweet. How heartwarming.
Oh, wait a second - THEY’RE DEAD!! THAT DOESN’T SEEM….I DUNNO…A LITTLE BIT “WRONG” TO YOU?
Who exactly is doing the ‘hijacking of memories’, for their own purposes, here? And who exactly is “using” these soldiers? The people who want them to come home, or the people who sent them there?
Is that harsh? Fine, it’s harsh. So is using people as pawns, for your own financial, political, or emotional gain.
You think George W. cares one bit about your children? If so, why does he keep sending them there, without adequate pay, equipment, or care after they get blown to shreds?
That’s really, really sad. It’ll be just as sad when more children come home in bags, but I guess we can feel better about it if we tell ourselves, “At least we did something about it….we sent cookies.”
As, for you, Willis…keep using the corpses of innocent soldiers to stand on, so you can spout your sad, pathetic insults. I guess if they minded, they’d say something about it.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Johson, you do not know me well enough to call me “bobbie”, much as I have not called you “Willy boy”, neither should you address me in such a disprespectful manner. It but shows lack of maturity on your part.
That said, the term “political liberal” is misused and abused, only by those who do not know its meaning or whose only understanding of it comes from abbreviated dictionary definitions. Those of us who have studied political thought have a much better appreciation of the term. May I humbly suggest that prior to your advising others what to do, you first make sure that they don’t know far more than you do. Until such time, this individual at least, will choose to ignore your shallow and “designer” definitions, those suitable only for those whose interest is to propagandize instead of engage in meaningful discussion.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 5:52 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Actually I do know you very well.
I have been reading your venom laced letter to the editor for quite some time.
One thing that stands out every time they print one, you really do detest this country.
According to you, it should be pure socialistic. Free speech would only apply to the party faithful, dissenters should be jailed.
The “rich” should be taxed at 400% of their annual gross income.
So, if I refer to you as bobbie, consider it as something much more socially acceptable then my true feeling towards you and others of your ilk.
As far as my “understanding” of various terms, don’t worry your pretty little head about it.
” Those of us who have studied political thought have a much better appreciation of the term.”
Perhaps if you studied US history, how and why it became the greatest nation on earth, you would have a better understanding of you would be more appreciative of what WE have. WE, because both of us are American Citizens, equal under they eyes of the law.
“May I humbly suggest that prior to your advising others what to do, you first make sure that they don’t know far more than you do.”
No, you may not, humbly or otherwise.
I do not take “suggestions” from pompous blowhards.
And the worm thing, don’t worry about it, nearly everybody else caught the message.
Have a nice evening.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 7:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
It is interesting to me that those who are the most “vocal” about their patriotism, know absolutely nothing of what this country is about, nor have they any “loyalty” beyond that of local party headquarters or “their” candidates. Looking carefully at their words, what one notes is that they measure the “greatness” of this country in one or two ways. It is either military might (thus confusing force with greatness) or the other, the benefits they derive from living here. They exhibit “the flag” (probably made in China) and cover their cars and trucks with stickers. I often wonder if they even know what “the flag” really stands for or, in many cases if they are attempting to convince us or themselves that they are patriotic.
In an above post, one of the respondents stated that I do not have an understanding of history. Unfortunately for him, I have been studying the subject of history for over four decades, and have probably “forgotten” more of it, and more books on the subject, than he has ever seen. My study of it continues to this day.
Like most people the respondent has a very parochial view of many things, including American history. His study of the subject seems to be limited to “dates and characters”, and not their significance. Such is the drawback of understanding neither the true nature of that discipline, nor of its importance. That however, is not something any of us can do anything about. Such people need to dig themselves out of the ditch in which they have allowed themselves to fall. We can only hope that, at some point, they will realize it and take positive action to extricate themselves. We wish them well.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 7:44 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Blue Star Mothers, Absolutely wonderfully said. I thought the same thing when I say the crosses. You put it so eloquently though. My heart (as a Mother and Grandmother) goes out to each and every one of you.
To minivan Macdaddy, Your mother should be ashamed of you and should wash your mouth out with soap for daring to address Service Moms in this manner. And to think that some of them sacrificed all to give you the right to spew your venom. Shame on you.
To RLatries, Go back to Delta and spew your garbage in your own town.
I think John B. was pretty much exposed in one of the above posts.
God Bless our Troops and God Bless America
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 7:48 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
American_Patriot,
It is with great appreciation that you provided us with the details on Mr Kearsley.
It certainly doesn’t take much to get to be a republican in Mesa County.
Bobbie, you tell us that you “study political thought”, I study people.
I study what they say, and how they word their statements and ideas. I watch their reactions to various stimuli.
If in person, I study the expressions on their face, as well as their body language.
You, from a previous post, seem quite knowledgeable on Mein Kampf. So, have you studied Lenin, and Stalin as well?
Chairman Mao pretty popular in your eyes? Pol Pot?
Now you tell me that you have studied more US history than I, yet you know nothing of my past, my vocations, or my avocations.
You have n knowledge of my education, or what fields of endeavor I am currently in, or have been in the past.
” Unfortunately for him, I have been studying the subject of history for over four decades, and have probably “forgotten” more of it,”
I can believe the “forgotten ” part, except you would have needed to LEARN it before you can forget it. You have no functional knowledge of US history apparent in your writings, either in this forum, or the many letters you have had printed in the paper.
NOBODY can forget every thing they ever “learned” about a given subject, therefore, I have a disbelief of your 4 decades of study.
Now, quote the relevant parts of the 16th Amendment that pertains to the formation of the federal reserve system.
Display all this knowledge you possess.
I defer to the master.
Now, how good are you at putting worms on hooks?
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 8:56 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
In his most recent tantrum post, Mr. Johnson asks if I am knowledgeable about Mein Kampf, as well as the works of Lenin, Stalin, and Chairman Mao. The answer is yes I am. However, that does not mean that I believe what it was they wrote. Apparently, unlike Mr. Johnson who appears to believe everything he reads, accepting it as “truth”, some of us have learned to “question” what it is we are reading. Yes, I have read all of them, and study others as well, including the works of our founders, and many other works. That is what real “studying” is about. If individuals such as Mr. Johnson would do the same, they probably could refute the points without resorting to “name calling” or attempt to use terms he does not understand. It is truly sad to see a “wasted mind”, still living upon past fears. That,in order to avoid the present and the future. It is a tragedy to observe someone “flailing about” in such a state.
Posted April 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I am a Vietnam veteran and know that the Blue Star Mothers are justifiably proud of their sons and daughters. Their children enlisted for a variety of reasons, and all of them hoped to serve in the pursuit of a noble cause. None of them joined up to be wasted or used other than to defend their country. Unfortunately, the war and occupation of Iraq, much like the Vietnam war, was and is based on lies and deception. This is not the fault of these young servicemen and women. They are, sadly, only pawns in the game. The fault lies with the Bush/Cheney administration who have sent them off to fight in an illegitimate war. I am not necessarily a pacifist. I believe that there may be times when war, as horrible as it is, might be necessary. Those times should be very rare, especially for the most powerful military in the world. I am against sending young men and women into harms way unless it is absolutely necessary. This administration has also cut drastically back on funding for returning veterans while granting massive tax benefits to the wealthy. These veterans are being betrayed by an administration that likes to wrap themselves in the flag and wear flag pins on their lapels. I can assure the Blue Star Mothers that the 4000 plus crosses were placed with great respect and guarded throughout the night by myself and other Vietnam vets. Many people came, knelt by them, reflected and prayed by them. People need to know the cost of war. I sincerely hope your sons and daughters come home safe and sound and receive the full measure of veterans benefits that they have earned.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 6:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
You use the term “study” as though you have actually learned something through all that “studying”.
Your writing indicates otherwise.
I don’t make “tantrum posts”.
I shove your typical looney left dogma and your poor social skills back in your face.
We hear the garbage you spout everyday from a wide variety of sources that go unchallenged.
You keep spouting that you are using facts to present your position, yet, to date, you have not present one single (or married) fact, just political hyperbole.
You have the audacity to come into this particular thread and spout off to the Mothers of service personnel, that their offspring are too stupid to know what they are doing with their lives, and your “hate bush” drivel that this is an illegal war entered just special to kill out troops.
In short, if they live their lives in the manner THEY choose, they are just pawns to be killed on a whim?
And to the last touchy feely self-proclaimed “Vietnam veteran”, we’re so happy that you stayed up all night to “guard” them little crosses.
Was it because they needed “guarded” to keep them from sneaking off?
You certainly were not “guarding” them to keep them safe, the MEN AND WOMEN those crosses “supposedly” represented were fully capable of defending THEIR RIGHT to live THEIR lives as they so chose.
All those pretty white crosses were not symbols of anything short of glaring examples of your political leanings FAILURES throughout the years.
They may have made you feel good, but that’s all they were intended for anyway, to MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD.
At first I thought they were to expose your ignorance and stupidity, but, no, it just makes you feel good, and kind of toasty warm deep down inside.
“receive the full measure of veterans benefits that they have earned.”
Not a single one of the “all volunteer” service personnel joined just so they could “have the government/VA care for them later”.
Obviously, you were a draftee, and probably spent your time hiding and never actually went to Vietnam.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 8:25 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow, Willis has officially gone off the deep end, as a lot of us figured he would.
So, aeneas is a “draftee” and “never actually went” just because he disagrees with you? What evidence do you have to back up that accusation, other than your own ranting? I defy you to provide one fact to back up that insult.
The more you shriek, the more your mindset reveals itself. You’re a political version the the Westboro Baptist Church; insulting, bullying and spewing your own hate, hiding behind the First Amendment while deny anyone else the same rights. I hope your “fans” like Jami, Rexall, and the rest are proud of who they’ve allied themselves with. They just better make sure they never disagree with you, huh?
When did *you* serve, Willis? What branch of the military? What war?
Who’s the bigger coward, Willy? The one who went to war, or the one who uses a keyboard to say the foul things to people he’d never, ever say in person?
Preach to us, Willy. Tell us all what’s what.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 8:35 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
The John and Bobby show, two anti-americans that have the Sentinel and the Free Press snowed in to letting them insert one false demeaning article after another.
It is a tragedy to observe someone “flailing about” in such a state.
It is interesting to me that those who are the most “vocal” about their patriotism, are criticised constantly by these brainwashed left wing nuts.
May I humbly suggest that prior to your advising others what to do, you first make sure that they don’t know far more than you do. Until such time, this individual at least, will choose to ignore your shallow and “designer” definitions, those suitable only for those whose interest is to propagandize instead of engage in meaningful discussion.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Why, thank you for asking minivanmacwhatever.
My military service has been presented previously, but for your reading pleasure:
USN 1964-1970, that’s the Vietnam era in case you are date challenged.
I enlisted.
When somebody shoots off their mouth about being a “Vietnam Veteran”, chances are pretty good that they served in areas other than Vietnam.
We did have military installations all over the world, and not everybody went to Vietnam.
I suspect the same of you.
ALL the combat veterans that I know, and associate with, personally seldom bring up that portion of their lives.
And when they do, it’s more about the way they were treated on their return to their home soil.
It was people like you that claimed to be better than anybody else that made their lives a living Hell.
So, the draftee label makes you feel bad? Do you take something for the pain?
The Men and Women that enlisted during that era don’t dwell on their feelings, nor do any of the draftees that I know and associate with.
But those who feel the need to fuss generally turn out to be draftees.
While I appreciate your service to OUR country, I do not believe that you did so willingly.
And I do speak my mind in public, directly to peoples faces.
Have a nice day, and get a life that doesn’t interfere with the lives of other people.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:28 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
It’s a sad day for the First Amendment when people cannot express their honest views without being smeared by those who may disagree. That tactic is crude, and anti-democratic, and has been used by demagogues and dictators throughout history. Just for the record, “Vietnam era” service is not the same as serving in Vietnam. Vietnam era service usually implies serving in the military during the time of the Vietnam war, but not actually in Vietnam. I served in Vietnam, in a combat zone, exposed to enemy fire, for over one year. I enlisted and volunteered to go to Vietnam. I suppose Mr. Johnson will have nice things to say about my mother next. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow, nice dodge, there, Willis; giving us just enough info so that you don’t have to admit the truth.
So, you enlisted in the Navy to avoid getting drafted into the Army…..
Where were you? Did you see any combat? Or are you like so many others, claiming righteous anger and blood-red American Patriotism, when in reality, you’re just as much a sniveling liar as your beloved Commander in Chief. He wore a uniform, too, and managed to avoid any real action. Now I see why you’re so into GWB. You’re very much alike.
Are the combat veterans you claim to be so close to aware of how shamelessly you suck the honor from their sacrifices, to make yourself sound more like a “real American”?
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:50 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Everyone on either “side” of the Iraq issue feels very strongly that they are “supporting the troops.” I say, depends which soldier you talk to. They are not all one nameless, faceless mass, you know? Each soldier and his or her family has their own opinion about Iraq, sometimes differing opinions within each family.
Every American does indeed owe a huge debt to every American soldier, past and present. They and their families are deserving of total respect and our deepest gratitude. They certainly have mine. But that respect and gratitude does not, should not, and must not translate into mute acceptance of our government’s every decision.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Freedom of speech—Thank God. It also means that another has the right to criticize or be criticized. If you don’t want to take the heat, don’t say anything!
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:57 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Minivan mc…
Are the combat veterans you claim to be so close to aware of how shamelessly you suck the honor from their sacrifices, to make yourself sound more like a “real American”?
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 10:59 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Those who are most vocal about their patriotism are those who have only patriotism to grasp. No sound arguments, no logic, and confused morality are the main characteristics of the regressives posting here and elsewhere. It is strange that the most bloodthirsty war-hawks are also the ones who want the ten commmandments posted everywhere…the folks who claim to support the troops the loudest are also the ones who work everyday to keep them in harms way…the folks who yell loudest that the war is justified and nessecary are also the ones who show complete lack of knowledge about it…when that lack of knowledge is proven to them, they claim the media are making things up…There is a difference between thinking you are right and being right, even though they feel the same.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 11:03 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ohh, macwhiner wants to play.
“Nice dodge”? I don’t own a chrysler product. You must have me confused with someone else.
Play along here, 1964. Earlier than little brain johnson and macnamara decided to play war.
I may have a few memories that I choose not to discuss with those I deem undeserving of my experiences and/or knowledge.
Got a problem with that? tough, keep it to yourself.
And the First Amendment does in no way restrict my freedom to tell you what I think of your exercising your First Amendment rights.
Deal with it!
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Freedom of Speech? Not in W_L_J’s world, people; In his world, it’s Freedom to Agree with Me. In his world, combat veterans are “draftee” cowards, while volunteers who never spent a minute In Country are the real Heroes. He’s insanely jealous that other people spilled blood for their country, and all he can claim is that he would have, if he could have. He enlisted, see, so that’s just as good as being in combat. And that gives him the right to call “draftee” combat vets cowards. Just not to their faces.
In his world, there is only one opinion; his. Anyone who doesn’t share his opinion hates America, Jesus, and babies.
Of course, that’s just my opinion. I may know nothing about it, as W_L_J will doubtlessly say, but I know about a few things he doesn’t. And I could never, ever make him understand them.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 12:02 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
See this is the kind of stuff I was talking about before. The personal, back-and- forth. Guess what fellas, you are amusing no one but yourselves. The rest of us are bored to tears by this stuff and would like to talk about actual issues.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Those who have even attempted to discuss any issue with WLJ have quickly come to the realization that one is attempting to communicate with an indvidual who appears to be exceedingly shallow, both emotionally and intellectually. That is why, when someone disagrees with him on issues, he has to resort to denigration and name-calling. It is doubtful if the gentleman is capable of comprehending any issue beyond that of “feeling.”
One may therefore conclude that, when not engaged in “splattering” across the boards attempting to gain attention, he is probably listening to the many “bombastic buffoons” to which we are constantly bombarded on “talk radio” and television.
While the individual may know “of” things, what is found totally lacking is any type of understanding of them. What he “believes” HAS to be true, and therefore anyone who disagrees with him is attacking him personally. Such is more appropriate to an ill-mannered child in the playground, rather than an adult but, that being said, he is free to reinforce that impression we have of him any time he wants. Which, he undoubtedly will, and which we will have to tolerate.
The best thing to do is probably to totally ignore him, not bothering to respond to his posts, no matter how provocative. Ignoring someone is the highest of insults, but also the most effective in dealing with such individuals. I have done so many times and found it most effective.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
You have to wonder what it is that Johnson, Rexall and hi-redneck have against America. They constantly trash American rights and show their intolerance for facts and other people’s opinion These anti-Americans post the most inane, ad hominem, immature, empty of facts comments their limited minds can come up with.
So I’ll give a stab at playing their little children’s games, one time, for illustration. Do you think Johnson took his handle to cope with his libido inadequacies? Do you wonder if Rexall took his drug store name because he is a meth dealer? Is the high redneck his best customer?
There, comments they can understand.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dear mc idiot.
I never said “combat veterans are “draftee” cowards,”.
You made that up all by your own little self. making things up and pretending they are real is a problem that the liberal side seems to rely on.
The propensity for pretend is why I chose to take anything you, or your best buddies, with a pound of salt.
But, since you say you were “in country”, that would make yoou one of those soldiers that ‘cut off ears, murdered civilians, hooked battery cables to genitalia - in the manner of Ghengis Khan’, etc of which your personal war hero, john kerry spoke of to congress? Congratulations for your efforts.
Or maybe you would care to refute mr kerrys claims?
Perhaps the two Iraq war vets that were in attendance were part of those that mr kerry accused of kicking in doors in the dead of night and terrorizing innocent civilians?
Are those two individuals going to fess up and admit they did those things?
Or are they willing to refute those claims that mr kerry made?
I know, you were with kerry in 1968 on a special mission for then President Nixon in the jungles of Cambodia.
And then there’s bobbie, more hyperbole and drivel, no facts in his entire tirade.
I’m still waiting for your report on the 16th Amendment bobbie.
Is it too difficult a task? Both your and little johnnie can put your brain together and come up with facts.
Or keep resorting to personal attacks on me.
Your turn master.
Put the worm on the hook.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
RL, while I agree with your assesment of WLJ, I find I lean towards combating the idiocy rather than just letting it go. WLJ’s attitude, combativeness, and volume are similar to what has gotten us (America) into such a dire situation. The exponential growth of voluntary ignorance after 9/11 led us down this road, and every chance to fight against it is an opportunity to help right the wrong. Members of this “community” who may be undecided or who have the intelligence to see the value of rational thought just may decide to do the right thing. The ability to discuss issues without screeching and name-calling is sadly deficient among the regressives, and every time we force their hand, everyone can see they have no cards.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I’ve expressed my disappointment before at the level of discourse that this forum often sinks to. I’d hoped to see a few improvements, but sadly, on both sides of any issue, you’re going to see people who use these discussions to give voice to their own insecurities, failings, and personality disorders. As I’ve said before, it’s the nature of the internet.
This discussion started with the Blue Star Moms voicing their understandably emotionally charged opinion on a volatile issue. While I don’t agree with every perspective they have, it’s not my business to argue politics with the parent of a military member. *My* children aren’t getting shot at. So I didn’t bother making any entry.
The discussion has now turned, as it does so often, into a chest-to-chest yelling match over who’s got the right to talk about military personnel, who’s a real veteran and who’s not, etc. I don’t give two shakes about who the “real” veterans are….the only soldiers whose credentials matter right now are those that are getting shot at right now. That’s my opinion. Everyone else is insufficiently invested in the issue to make proclamations. Opinions, sure; but laying down the law about who’s who and what’s what…no.
I’m not naive enough to ask, “Can’t we all just get along?”; but I would venture; Can’t we at least act like adults?
For the sake of MiniVan_MacDaddy and his cyber-nemesis, W_L_J; Grow the Hell Up, or get costumes and secret lairs, and take your battles to the streets of Gotham City where they belong. And, before either of you bothers to ask: I served in the peacetime military (80’s); voluntarily, and honorably, albeit rather uneventfully. Do with that information whatever you feel entitled to. I think I’m capable of living with your disapproval.
God Bless our Military, God Bless their Parents, Spouses, Children, and anyone who loves them; And God Bless the people who want them to come home. There. If I missed anyone, I apologize.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 1:33 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
My thoughts exactly, Curmudgeon.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
CURM, youve won me over a little bit here.
*My* children aren’t getting shot at. So I didn’t bother making any entry.
THANK YOU! You did serve in the military, so you do have a right to your opinion. Not that others don’t, I just don’t think “civilian” families get it. Until you and your family are that position, making those sacrafices, I don’t think you should speak for us who are…. My sincerest gratitude soldier, uneventful or not.
Secondly, Cassie, leave Wilis alone. please refer to the above paragraph. Willis always responds. Always. Did I think that he was a old bat with nothing better to do then be in here at first? YUP. was I wrong? YUP!
Just because you don’t like his responses does not mean he is not willing to discuss with you. More and more I see that he cares about these issues, enough to be here everyday, ready and willing to share his knowledge. It has to bothor you that he is not deterred by your personal attacks.
TOU says….
The ability to discuss issues without screeching and name-calling is sadly deficient among the regressives, and every time we force their hand, everyone can see they have no cards.
Really? you actually can hear him screeching over the computer ??? Of course that could be your own screeching, your own hate and name calling thats welling within yourself, each and every time he responds with facts YOU dont want to hear. Whats that they say? Takes one to know one?
Blue star moms, we salute you and your children. I heart you big time!Another wonderful organization like yours is jacobsprogram.org. A mother who lost her son in battle started it, to honor him. I am trying to find the right words to discribe how much I admire your strength, your heart. Theres none. I always try to install STRONG values, morals into my daughter. If she grows to be women like you, I have succeeded.
THANK YOU!
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I also agree with the curmudgeon.
I’ll discuss any issue peacefully, and thoughtfully.
But the “hate bush” and “illegal war” garbage really needs to stop.
If anybody has facts they care to present, that’s fine, it’s open to discussion.
Whether or not the Blue Star Mothers children choose to serve in our military, is no reason for ANYBODY to comment other than to thank the Mothers, and offer prayers.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
CURM…you don’t make the rules, either, I don’t care how smart you think you are. Pick a side, or stay out of it. Don’t just sit on the sides and pass judgment.
Willis, scroll up. You talked trash about draftees who saw combat,and acted like you were a better man because you enlisted, and probably didn’t see any. Don’t lie about it now, like your boy GWB. Keep talking that trash at the VFW. Especially the part about War Criminals.
I’m sure you do have “experiences you don’t want to talk about”…those Hong Kong tattoo needles can really hurt, huh? Or maybe a bad “morning after” in Subic Bay? Too bad there are some ways to be incapacitated that don’t get you a Purple Heart, huh?
And Wow, CURM, Jami wants to add you to her list of old guy forum boyfriends…. (hint: Precious Moments figurines are always appreciated.) You’re one lucky fella.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow…just…wow.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ditto
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
LMFAO! wooohooo… This guy is hilarious! I would love to indulge you in what is so clearly a desperate, childish, fantasy of your own, but i just cant stop laughing long enough to try!
…. nope.. still funny. Your name says it all! Your just jealous willis picks up more chics in his wheelchair then you do in your van. Thats sad. You know, I am sure you can find a forum for lonely attention starved middle aged men….
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
and it aint this one. dont get cute.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Um yeah MiniVan … WTH was that?! Ew. The lowest thing I’ve seen on this board so far, and leveled at the nicest person too.
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
MiniVan…….You have got to be one of the rudest people I have ever read from!!! Yes, Willis can go into rants, but cant we all!!!! I sure can and I will admit it. What you said about Willis “standing on the corpses of innocent soldiers”, at least he is defending them…..from what I have read you are doing nothing but pissing on their graves!!!! My grandmother had 7 sons, and they ALL served in the military, one son killed in Korea. I am glad that she isnt alive to see and hear things like you have said on here. Then again, that little spit fire would have washed your mouth out with soap. Your mother should be ashamed of the way she raised you!!!!
Posted April 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
… I actually felt ashamed I responded. I shouldnt have. My apologies to everyone, especially the mothers who had to read any of it. It wasnt my intent. I said earlier it takes one to know one tonya…. your nice too =0)
*hugz* for Jens family. Thank you as well. Your grams sounds like mine, those ladies were something !! Dont take nooo stuff from nooobody. =0)
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