Comments on: How to cut federal deficit http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/ Grand Junction, Colorado's community Web site, discussions, forums, message boards, wiki and more. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:42:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Curmudgeon http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-921 Curmudgeon Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:06:44 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-921 A reasonable question, that deserves answer. Fair enough, gfbyers, I will admit to engaging in hyperbole. I do not actually believe Dick Cheney is literally pulling GWB's strings, however, I do believe that he has a much, much larger hand in what goes on than he claims to. As for who actually pulls GWB's strings, I know for sure it's not the people he claims to serve. As for stomping all over the Constitution, The Patriot Act does that nicely. A reasonable question, that deserves answer.
Fair enough, gfbyers, I will admit to engaging in hyperbole. I do not actually believe Dick Cheney is literally pulling GWB’s strings, however, I do believe that he has a much, much larger hand in what goes on than he claims to. As for who actually pulls GWB’s strings, I know for sure it’s not the people he claims to serve.
As for stomping all over the Constitution, The Patriot Act does that nicely.

]]> By: gfbyers http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-920 gfbyers Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:35:11 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-920 Curmudgeon, as one of the "Smart" folks, perhaps you can explain to this dummy the last sentence in your post. If President Bush is manipulated by a "Puppet Master", who might that be and if this is the case, why does the President rather than his master take all the heat? As far as stomping all over the Constitution, there are a lot of folks in Washington D.C. that are even smarter than you or I that would initiate impeachment proceedings at the first hint of anything illegal. Of course this hasn't been the case, only called for by the Bushbashers who finally realized the consequences of that and started calling for impeachment for both the President and V.P. after it dawned on them who would replace him. Not defending him, just curious and stating facts as I see them. Curmudgeon, as one of the “Smart” folks, perhaps you can explain to this dummy the last sentence in your post. If President Bush is manipulated by a “Puppet Master”, who might that be and if this is the case, why does the President rather than his master take all the heat? As far as stomping all over the Constitution, there are a lot of folks in Washington D.C. that are even smarter than you or I that would initiate impeachment proceedings at the first hint of anything illegal. Of course this hasn’t been the case, only called for by the Bushbashers who finally realized the consequences of that and started calling for impeachment for both the President and V.P. after it dawned on them who would replace him. Not defending him, just curious and stating facts as I see them.

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-919 Curmudgeon Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:43:10 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-919 So much for 'Christian' Charity, huh? Or has that been usurped by "Racism hiding behind Fiscal Conservatism"? So, you'll pay your taxes to blow people up, but not to feed them. : shrug : I guess I'd rather feed 'em. If you're all that steamed about taxes, brown people of imprisonment, and such, there's always room with the Montana Freemen. But considering your trains of thought, and their Amtrak-like habit of derailing, even they might consider you a bit too off-balance for them. And I love how folks like Willis use "over smart" (sic) as an insult. In some places, smart is considered good. The Constitution matters a lot to we smart folks. That's why GWB and his puppet master stomping all over it makes us angry. So much for ‘Christian’ Charity, huh?

Or has that been usurped by “Racism hiding behind Fiscal Conservatism”?

So, you’ll pay your taxes to blow people up, but not to feed them.
: shrug : I guess I’d rather feed ‘em.

If you’re all that steamed about taxes, brown people of imprisonment, and such, there’s always room with the Montana Freemen. But considering your trains of thought, and their Amtrak-like habit of derailing, even they might consider you a bit too off-balance for them.

And I love how folks like Willis use “over smart” (sic) as an insult. In some places, smart is considered good.

The Constitution matters a lot to we smart folks. That’s why GWB and his puppet master stomping all over it makes us angry.

]]> By: Willis_Leon_Johnson http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-918 Willis_Leon_Johnson Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:18:44 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-918 Wanna cut the budget without all the political rhetoric and crying by the liberals? Get a pair of scissors. Wanna make them squawl like babies? Make EVERY item in the budget pass the 10th Amendment. If it is not specifically enumerated under the Constition, is specifically denied to the federal government. So, yes curmudgeon, them welfare mommies and brown people in this country illegally would just have to learn to fend for themselves. Or, you could take up donations for them, toss in lots of YOUR money, and leave OUR money in OUR POCKETS. The welfare system has always been your boondogel that we have had to pay for with moneyt stolen from us at the point of a gun, and fear of imprisonment. But, to some of you over smart folks, the Constitution really doesn't matter anymore. Wanna cut the budget without all the political rhetoric and crying by the liberals? Get a pair of scissors.

Wanna make them squawl like babies?

Make EVERY item in the budget pass the 10th Amendment.

If it is not specifically enumerated under the Constition, is specifically denied to the federal government.

So, yes curmudgeon, them welfare mommies and brown people in this country illegally would just have to learn to fend for themselves.

Or, you could take up donations for them, toss in lots of YOUR money, and leave OUR money in OUR POCKETS.

The welfare system has always been your boondogel that we have had to pay for with moneyt stolen from us at the point of a gun, and fear of imprisonment.

But, to some of you over smart folks, the Constitution really doesn’t matter anymore.

]]> By: cs1960 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-917 cs1960 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:28:40 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-917 Those suggestions if implemented would cause a whole lot of hollering and screaming. How about ending our dependence on foreign oil? How about pursuing are responsible foreign policy? Oh wait, that's for brianiacs and sissies right? Never get between a macho Bushbot and his SUV or cheap gas. Those suggestions if implemented would cause a whole lot of hollering and screaming. How about ending our dependence on foreign oil? How about pursuing are responsible foreign policy? Oh wait, that’s for brianiacs and sissies right? Never get between a macho Bushbot and his SUV or cheap gas.

]]> By: RLaitres http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-913 RLaitres Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:36:31 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-913 Mr. Sherman wishes to discuss the deficits yet, like far too many, he wishes to "pick and choose" where it should be cut, and that almost always is to be done on the backs of those less able to bear the burdens, such as those in "need" of services. All too often, that represents but an attempt to shirk ones responsibility, not accept them. Were the gentleman more astute, he would by now have recognized that what he speaks of is a "drop in the bucket" compared to where the real "cutting" needs to occur, and why that is never done. Let us just concentrate upon why it is "not done." The answer is quite simple: It does not happen because many people don't want it to. That is because it is not in either in their personal or political interest to do so. Look carefully at how some define "pork." The standard most use is: If it is for something "I want" is good and wise policy but, even if it is for even the "needs" of others, and not for "me" or "I don't get my cut", it is "bad policy" or pork. If Mr. Sherman looked carefully to what happens, even at the local or state level, he would recognize that such is the truth. He may wish to examine all of the letters to the various newspaper when someone "wants" something, whether one is dealing with school districts, city or county governments or even Mesa State College. He might also wish to examine what standards he himself uses when rendering his decisions, even if he accepts the words of those running for public office when they say "Elect me and I will do this for you" or, "Re-elect me. See what I did for you." If he accepts either statement, he is then just as guilty for the "pork" as they are. Mr. Sherman wishes to discuss the deficits yet, like far too many, he wishes to “pick and choose” where it should be cut, and that almost always is to be done on the backs of those less able to bear the burdens, such as those in “need” of services. All too often, that represents but an attempt to shirk ones responsibility, not accept them. Were the gentleman more astute, he would by now have recognized that what he speaks of is a “drop in the bucket” compared to where the real “cutting” needs to occur, and why that is never done. Let us just concentrate upon why it is “not done.” The answer is quite simple: It does not happen because many people don’t want it to. That is because it is not in either in their personal or political interest to do so.
Look carefully at how some define “pork.” The standard most use is: If it is for something “I want” is good and wise policy but, even if it is for even the “needs” of others, and not for “me” or “I don’t get my cut”, it is “bad policy” or pork.
If Mr. Sherman looked carefully to what happens, even at the local or state level, he would recognize that such is the truth. He may wish to examine all of the letters to the various newspaper when someone “wants” something, whether one is dealing with school districts, city or county governments or even Mesa State College. He might also wish to examine what standards he himself uses when rendering his decisions, even if he accepts the words of those running for public office when they say “Elect me and I will do this for you” or, “Re-elect me. See what I did for you.” If he accepts either statement, he is then just as guilty for the “pork” as they are.

]]> By: FredPittenger http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-910 FredPittenger Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:29:28 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-910 How to cut the Federal Budget Transparency is the key to cutting the budget. On all sides, including the way this war has been funded without being part of the main federal budget. A Concept for Balancing the Federal Budget If there were a Fully Transparent Federal Budget Cuing System where in ALL Line items proposed to be budgeted were listed and openly vetted by an objective group AND ALL line items had to be voted on separately by each Member' Office of the Senate and House, AND where in there was no hidden funding and ALL aspects of the Final Federal Budget were transparent, AND the final budget had to balance all this nonsense would stop. How to cut the Federal Budget

Transparency is the key to cutting the budget. On all sides, including the way this war has been funded without being part of the main federal budget.

A Concept for Balancing the Federal Budget

If there were a Fully Transparent Federal Budget Cuing System where in
ALL Line items proposed to be budgeted were listed and openly vetted by an objective group
AND ALL line items had to be voted on separately by each Member’ Office of the Senate and House,
AND where in there was no hidden funding and
ALL aspects of the Final Federal Budget were transparent,
AND the final budget had to balance

all this nonsense would stop.

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-903 Curmudgeon Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:55:10 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-903 You're right. Drop the question, you wouldn't have answered it, anyway. We now return you to your fantasies of taking money away from farmers, welfare mothers, and brown people. Whatever makes you happy. You’re right. Drop the question, you wouldn’t have answered it, anyway.

We now return you to your fantasies of taking money away from farmers, welfare mothers, and brown people. Whatever makes you happy.

]]> By: Rexall http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-902 Rexall Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:51:09 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-902 Don't try to change the subject of this thread!!!! Don’t try to change the subject of this thread!!!!

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-900 Curmudgeon Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:48:45 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/12/how-to-cut-federal-deficit/#comment-900 We are? "Thousands" of them? Really? You're kidding, right? Or, is "terrorist" your euphemism for "brown people with different religious beliefs"? You do know the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, right? Why aren't we attacking them? We are? “Thousands” of them? Really?
You’re kidding, right?
Or, is “terrorist” your euphemism for “brown people with different religious beliefs”?
You do know the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, right? Why aren’t we attacking them?

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