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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Sharefest&#8217; was an outpouring of God&#8217;s will</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1369</guid>
		<description>Curmudgeon,

Somewhere, you and I got our wires crossed. I did not do the things you have accused me of, I do not feel the way you seem to think I feel, and I am not trying to do the things you seem to think I am trying to do. 

You have said that one should live and let live, yet you are battering me for expressing my opinions in the same manner which you are doing. My very first post on this topic was a simple question regarding the supernatural, and it was responded to with accusations of spilling poison and being upset about what was done. I think its great that people got together to do this, no matter who they credit for it, and no matter what you claim I think about it. I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot over this, and that is a sincere apology. You sound like someone I would like in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curmudgeon,</p>
<p>Somewhere, you and I got our wires crossed. I did not do the things you have accused me of, I do not feel the way you seem to think I feel, and I am not trying to do the things you seem to think I am trying to do. </p>
<p>You have said that one should live and let live, yet you are battering me for expressing my opinions in the same manner which you are doing. My very first post on this topic was a simple question regarding the supernatural, and it was responded to with accusations of spilling poison and being upset about what was done. I think its great that people got together to do this, no matter who they credit for it, and no matter what you claim I think about it. I&#8217;m sorry we got off on the wrong foot over this, and that is a sincere apology. You sound like someone I would like in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1362</guid>
		<description>None of the above, it's like nearly every one of his posts, irrelevant to anything under discussion.

He signs all his letters from Delta, so why not acknowledge that this is a different Bob from any place else?

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the above, it&#8217;s like nearly every one of his posts, irrelevant to anything under discussion.</p>
<p>He signs all his letters from Delta, so why not acknowledge that this is a different Bob from any place else?</p>
<p> <img src='http://community.gjsentinel.com/community/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1361</guid>
		<description>What does RLaitres' being from Delta have to do with anything, Willis? You bring it up every chance you get. Is it a thinly veiled "I know where you live" threat? A long-standing blood feud along Hwy 6 &#38; 50?  What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does RLaitres&#8217; being from Delta have to do with anything, Willis? You bring it up every chance you get. Is it a thinly veiled &#8220;I know where you live&#8221; threat? A long-standing blood feud along Hwy 6 &amp; 50?  What?</p>
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		<title>By: Proteus</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>Proteus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1360</guid>
		<description>Willis - I think it's about time you excused yourself from the dinner table so the grown-ups can finish their meal in peace. Someone will be up to check your homework in a little while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis - I think it&#8217;s about time you excused yourself from the dinner table so the grown-ups can finish their meal in peace. Someone will be up to check your homework in a little while.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1359</guid>
		<description>Ok, ok, Scott....you win.  A bunch of know-nothing Jesus freaks patted themselves on the back in public for doing something good, and you stepped up, challenged their foolish delusions, and set them straight.  Hell, two or three of them might even have a serious crisis of faith. After all, they were asking for it. It's their fault for daring to do something good. Because doing good isn't as important as knowing the truths of the universe, and looking down on everything with a superior sniff.  Congratulations.  You showed them.  
At least you're not trying to say you're sorry anymore. Honest condescension beats false consideration any day. When your only God is Yourself, you rarely have to worry about disappointing him.

Feel Better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, ok, Scott&#8230;.you win.  A bunch of know-nothing Jesus freaks patted themselves on the back in public for doing something good, and you stepped up, challenged their foolish delusions, and set them straight.  Hell, two or three of them might even have a serious crisis of faith. After all, they were asking for it. It&#8217;s their fault for daring to do something good. Because doing good isn&#8217;t as important as knowing the truths of the universe, and looking down on everything with a superior sniff.  Congratulations.  You showed them.<br />
At least you&#8217;re not trying to say you&#8217;re sorry anymore. Honest condescension beats false consideration any day. When your only God is Yourself, you rarely have to worry about disappointing him.</p>
<p>Feel Better?</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1358</guid>
		<description>uhoh, somebody work up the bobbie from Delta.

Mr. Laitres, I keep asking the question of you, and you keep not answering.

What institutions of higher learning have you attended, and what specific degrees have you earned that allows you to feel smarter than anybody else?

And, since you have been known to be less than honest in your posts, I require names and dates for verification.

By your continued refusal to answer I can only surmise that you are a self taught individual that is incapable honest, intelligent conversation and need to rely on childish attempts at character assassination and belittling others to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are.

If facts that prove your positions false arise, you feel perfectly within your rights to discount any facts that you choose to not believe, then base your arguments on your self imposed ignorance of those facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhoh, somebody work up the bobbie from Delta.</p>
<p>Mr. Laitres, I keep asking the question of you, and you keep not answering.</p>
<p>What institutions of higher learning have you attended, and what specific degrees have you earned that allows you to feel smarter than anybody else?</p>
<p>And, since you have been known to be less than honest in your posts, I require names and dates for verification.</p>
<p>By your continued refusal to answer I can only surmise that you are a self taught individual that is incapable honest, intelligent conversation and need to rely on childish attempts at character assassination and belittling others to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are.</p>
<p>If facts that prove your positions false arise, you feel perfectly within your rights to discount any facts that you choose to not believe, then base your arguments on your self imposed ignorance of those facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1356</guid>
		<description>And quite honestly ashhugger, nobody questions that fact.

But when the local churches banded together and spent a weekend helping other people, dear ol' Scott felt the need to question it.

It's a question that should never have been asked, and it was not, as he now suggests, and innocent desire to learn, but a deep rooted desire to slam religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And quite honestly ashhugger, nobody questions that fact.</p>
<p>But when the local churches banded together and spent a weekend helping other people, dear ol&#8217; Scott felt the need to question it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a question that should never have been asked, and it was not, as he now suggests, and innocent desire to learn, but a deep rooted desire to slam religions.</p>
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		<title>By: RLaitres</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>RLaitres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1355</guid>
		<description>Most of the loudest voices proclaiming that they "do good deeds in the name of "god", are really looking for approbation.  All one has need do is look at the posts over an extended period to find that, for far too many, their real "god" is a materialistic one.  A "god" is what one cares most about, and that is never truly ascertained by words, nor is it even by deeds.  One must look somewhat deeper in order to establish several things.  The firs is "why" is it really done and second, how do such individuals define success; i.e. the standard(s) by which it is measured.  If those standards are materialistic, such as money, political power, or even the approval of others, the real "god" is materialism.

One of the above posters maintains that he has never "seen" either agnostic, atheist, etc. volunteer as does the "Christian" community.  The individual has apparently not been around much.  The fact that he doesn't "see" it, may not be that other than "Christians" don't do good works, it may be that they don't spend as much time as do "Christians" boasting about it that, in order to be "perceived" as charitable and doing good works.  Some of us have not lived such sheltered lives, and therefore are not so parochial in our views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the loudest voices proclaiming that they &#8220;do good deeds in the name of &#8220;god&#8221;, are really looking for approbation.  All one has need do is look at the posts over an extended period to find that, for far too many, their real &#8220;god&#8221; is a materialistic one.  A &#8220;god&#8221; is what one cares most about, and that is never truly ascertained by words, nor is it even by deeds.  One must look somewhat deeper in order to establish several things.  The firs is &#8220;why&#8221; is it really done and second, how do such individuals define success; i.e. the standard(s) by which it is measured.  If those standards are materialistic, such as money, political power, or even the approval of others, the real &#8220;god&#8221; is materialism.</p>
<p>One of the above posters maintains that he has never &#8220;seen&#8221; either agnostic, atheist, etc. volunteer as does the &#8220;Christian&#8221; community.  The individual has apparently not been around much.  The fact that he doesn&#8217;t &#8220;see&#8221; it, may not be that other than &#8220;Christians&#8221; don&#8217;t do good works, it may be that they don&#8217;t spend as much time as do &#8220;Christians&#8221; boasting about it that, in order to be &#8220;perceived&#8221; as charitable and doing good works.  Some of us have not lived such sheltered lives, and therefore are not so parochial in our views.</p>
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		<title>By: ashhugger</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>ashhugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willis, as you yourself pointed out most of the organized service groups; larger groups that have names and are likely to draw media attention, are religious.

Non-religious do-gooding just tend to be more decentralized. Religion, or lack of it doesn't come up in conversation and generally no press releases are issued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis, as you yourself pointed out most of the organized service groups; larger groups that have names and are likely to draw media attention, are religious.</p>
<p>Non-religious do-gooding just tend to be more decentralized. Religion, or lack of it doesn&#8217;t come up in conversation and generally no press releases are issued.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/04/22/sharefest-was-an-outpouring-of-gods-will/#comment-1352</guid>
		<description>Willis,

Atheism is not a banner under which people march. People do not do things "in the name of atheism." What you're asking for is like asking people to get together to not collect stamps. 

Look at Bill Gates. He has donated billions of dollars to charities. He is also an atheist. He does not donate "in the name of atheism." He does it because it is the right thing to do. People aren't going to make news as "atheist volunteers" because that is not why they do it. 

Its apples and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis,</p>
<p>Atheism is not a banner under which people march. People do not do things &#8220;in the name of atheism.&#8221; What you&#8217;re asking for is like asking people to get together to not collect stamps. </p>
<p>Look at Bill Gates. He has donated billions of dollars to charities. He is also an atheist. He does not donate &#8220;in the name of atheism.&#8221; He does it because it is the right thing to do. People aren&#8217;t going to make news as &#8220;atheist volunteers&#8221; because that is not why they do it. </p>
<p>Its apples and oranges.</p>
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