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	<title>Comments on: Religion matters too much in politics</title>
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		<title>By: Chancho</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator>Chancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1812</guid>
		<description>The closing from a great article in today's TruthDig (http://www.truthdig.com):

"We are letting religious fanaticism dominate the presidential campaign. The candidates have brought it on themselves with tedious references to their churchgoing piety. Now we’re all paying for it. Who cares what their preachers say? The voters want to hear about how the presidential candidates would restart the sick economy and get us out of Iraq." 

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Demos or Repugs, no matter, read it and WEEP for the future of this country....Then, let's have some real press on McCain's nutcase pastor Haggis. Are FOX, CNN, CBS, NBC/MSNBC (General Electric owned), and ABC (Disney owned) part of the "liberal press"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closing from a great article in today&#8217;s TruthDig (http://www.truthdig.com):</p>
<p>&#8220;We are letting religious fanaticism dominate the presidential campaign. The candidates have brought it on themselves with tedious references to their churchgoing piety. Now we’re all paying for it. Who cares what their preachers say? The voters want to hear about how the presidential candidates would restart the sick economy and get us out of Iraq.&#8221; </p>
<p>++++++++++++</p>
<p>Demos or Repugs, no matter, read it and WEEP for the future of this country&#8230;.Then, let&#8217;s have some real press on McCain&#8217;s nutcase pastor Haggis. Are FOX, CNN, CBS, NBC/MSNBC (General Electric owned), and ABC (Disney owned) part of the &#8220;liberal press&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1804</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1804</guid>
		<description>Now Sue, I didn't paint anybody on this board with any type of brush.

It just seems that some took my remarks personally.

Perhaps they saw themselves and did not like what they saw?

I'm not a 'conservative', not a 'liberal'.

I believe in the "Rule Of Law", real life "SCIENTIFIC FACT", and that includes Biological Fact.

Others on this site believe in political rhetoric and how they "feel" on various subjects.

dc, is a self proclaimed environmental whacko, I didn't stick the label on him.

But he believes that if someone does not 'feel' the same way he does, the hate the planet and can't wait to pollute every square inch, including the oceans.

Curmie is just fun to debate with.  he's a lot like me, mean-spirited and hateful in a fun-loving, friendly sort of way.

Some are mean-spirited, nasty and hateful, because that is the way they view the world and other people on this board.

The 'liberal' media keeps referring to the far right, religious folks as bad for the nation, but they neglect to mention that there is a lot of Democrats that are also religious, and hold the same beliefs.

mr wright, of Obamas church notwithstanding, democrat Christians are just as religious as them horrid right wing fanatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Sue, I didn&#8217;t paint anybody on this board with any type of brush.</p>
<p>It just seems that some took my remarks personally.</p>
<p>Perhaps they saw themselves and did not like what they saw?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a &#8216;conservative&#8217;, not a &#8216;liberal&#8217;.</p>
<p>I believe in the &#8220;Rule Of Law&#8221;, real life &#8220;SCIENTIFIC FACT&#8221;, and that includes Biological Fact.</p>
<p>Others on this site believe in political rhetoric and how they &#8220;feel&#8221; on various subjects.</p>
<p>dc, is a self proclaimed environmental whacko, I didn&#8217;t stick the label on him.</p>
<p>But he believes that if someone does not &#8216;feel&#8217; the same way he does, the hate the planet and can&#8217;t wait to pollute every square inch, including the oceans.</p>
<p>Curmie is just fun to debate with.  he&#8217;s a lot like me, mean-spirited and hateful in a fun-loving, friendly sort of way.</p>
<p>Some are mean-spirited, nasty and hateful, because that is the way they view the world and other people on this board.</p>
<p>The &#8216;liberal&#8217; media keeps referring to the far right, religious folks as bad for the nation, but they neglect to mention that there is a lot of Democrats that are also religious, and hold the same beliefs.</p>
<p>mr wright, of Obamas church notwithstanding, democrat Christians are just as religious as them horrid right wing fanatics.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1800</guid>
		<description>Sue, I would never blame decent people for Falwell. That's what I was trying to point out to Willis; shoving everyone into one side or the other is unfair. That's what I was trying to illustrate. But I do apologize for not making that clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, I would never blame decent people for Falwell. That&#8217;s what I was trying to point out to Willis; shoving everyone into one side or the other is unfair. That&#8217;s what I was trying to illustrate. But I do apologize for not making that clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1797</guid>
		<description>Blaming normal, everyday, decent Christians (like me) for the likes of Jerry Falwell is just plain mean, Curm... Willis, you, too for blaming normal decent environmental friendly folks (like me) for comments made by "whackos".

There have been horrible things done and said on all sides by many more extremist folks than I care to count that are just plain mean.  Curm, I have to tell you, Pat Roberston, however, tops my list of people who make us normal decent Christians look bad.  I cringe whenever I hear he has opened his mouth again because I know someone will jump on the opportunity to malign Christians.  Kind of like Al Sharpton makes normal decent African Americans look bad when he opens his.  Please don't jump me for that, I don't have a bigoted bone in my body.

Unfortunately, the name callers and blame throwers jump on the opportunity to use one public person's extremist views or comments to malign others.  

I'll get off my soapbox now... ya'll have a blessed day and a wonderful weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming normal, everyday, decent Christians (like me) for the likes of Jerry Falwell is just plain mean, Curm&#8230; Willis, you, too for blaming normal decent environmental friendly folks (like me) for comments made by &#8220;whackos&#8221;.</p>
<p>There have been horrible things done and said on all sides by many more extremist folks than I care to count that are just plain mean.  Curm, I have to tell you, Pat Roberston, however, tops my list of people who make us normal decent Christians look bad.  I cringe whenever I hear he has opened his mouth again because I know someone will jump on the opportunity to malign Christians.  Kind of like Al Sharpton makes normal decent African Americans look bad when he opens his.  Please don&#8217;t jump me for that, I don&#8217;t have a bigoted bone in my body.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the name callers and blame throwers jump on the opportunity to use one public person&#8217;s extremist views or comments to malign others.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get off my soapbox now&#8230; ya&#8217;ll have a blessed day and a wonderful weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1795</guid>
		<description>Sorry, that was his Mom's declaration, not his wife's. I tend to lump all the Bushes, Kennedys, and various other family dynasties together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was his Mom&#8217;s declaration, not his wife&#8217;s. I tend to lump all the Bushes, Kennedys, and various other family dynasties together.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1794</guid>
		<description>Willis Leon Johnson, there you go again! I am an " environmental whacko " and neither I nor any of my EW colleagues have ever blamed hurricanes on global warming. Many believe the warming phenomenon will affect the number and intensity of hurricanes, but that is not the same thing as the statement you made. There have always been hurricanes.

oh, yeah.  Good morning. Happy Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis Leon Johnson, there you go again! I am an &#8221; environmental whacko &#8221; and neither I nor any of my EW colleagues have ever blamed hurricanes on global warming. Many believe the warming phenomenon will affect the number and intensity of hurricanes, but that is not the same thing as the statement you made. There have always been hurricanes.</p>
<p>oh, yeah.  Good morning. Happy Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1793</guid>
		<description>Oh, come on...to claim Falwell as a lone "extreme nutcase" while claiming "thousands" of "left wing nutcases" is just downright disingenuous. There are thousands of voices on the extremes of both sides, which is what I was trying to point out. You're calling attention to the voices of one extreme while purposefully minimizing the other.  I don't recall blaming you for any of their statements; but you can't keep tarring every liberal with the 'whacko' brush and claim every conservative is a gentle, rational, come-let-us-reason-together paragon of common sense.  

I used to live in New Orleans, but I moved long before the flood. I don't blame Bush for Katrina. The government has been ignoring the levees for decades. I blame his slow response, his horse-show judging FEMA idiot, and his foolish wife's declaration that he people in the shelters "had it better" than they did in their homes before the flood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on&#8230;to claim Falwell as a lone &#8220;extreme nutcase&#8221; while claiming &#8220;thousands&#8221; of &#8220;left wing nutcases&#8221; is just downright disingenuous. There are thousands of voices on the extremes of both sides, which is what I was trying to point out. You&#8217;re calling attention to the voices of one extreme while purposefully minimizing the other.  I don&#8217;t recall blaming you for any of their statements; but you can&#8217;t keep tarring every liberal with the &#8216;whacko&#8217; brush and claim every conservative is a gentle, rational, come-let-us-reason-together paragon of common sense.  </p>
<p>I used to live in New Orleans, but I moved long before the flood. I don&#8217;t blame Bush for Katrina. The government has been ignoring the levees for decades. I blame his slow response, his horse-show judging FEMA idiot, and his foolish wife&#8217;s declaration that he people in the shelters &#8220;had it better&#8221; than they did in their homes before the flood.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1791</guid>
		<description>One of the extreme 'right wing' nutcases is equal to thousands of yours?

Jerry wasn't "one of mine", so don't blame me for his dumb quotes.

Just like I didn't blame you for the far 'left wing' nutcases in my previous post.

Fair enough?

oh, one more thing.

Good Morning Curmudgeon, I trust you slept well last night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the extreme &#8216;right wing&#8217; nutcases is equal to thousands of yours?</p>
<p>Jerry wasn&#8217;t &#8220;one of mine&#8221;, so don&#8217;t blame me for his dumb quotes.</p>
<p>Just like I didn&#8217;t blame you for the far &#8216;left wing&#8217; nutcases in my previous post.</p>
<p>Fair enough?</p>
<p>oh, one more thing.</p>
<p>Good Morning Curmudgeon, I trust you slept well last night?</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1790</guid>
		<description>Willis;

I'll see your "environmental whackos" blaming Bush for Katrina and raise you "Christian whackos" blaming 9/11 on "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians" (That's a direct quote from Jerry Falwell). Fair enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see your &#8220;environmental whackos&#8221; blaming Bush for Katrina and raise you &#8220;Christian whackos&#8221; blaming 9/11 on &#8220;the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians&#8221; (That&#8217;s a direct quote from Jerry Falwell). Fair enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/01/religion-matters-too-much-in-politics/#comment-1786</guid>
		<description>Actually, the environmental whackos claimed the hurricanes were all caused by global warming, and because President Bush did not support the kyoto toilet paper, all the 'global warming' was directly due to his failure to kow tow.

"It was all Bushes fault".

But, the question remains, if the hurricanes were caused by 'globular worming', why no more hurricanes ripping up the Gulf Coast since?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the environmental whackos claimed the hurricanes were all caused by global warming, and because President Bush did not support the kyoto toilet paper, all the &#8216;global warming&#8217; was directly due to his failure to kow tow.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was all Bushes fault&#8221;.</p>
<p>But, the question remains, if the hurricanes were caused by &#8216;globular worming&#8217;, why no more hurricanes ripping up the Gulf Coast since?</p>
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