Comments on: The plight of real fathers is left untold http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/ Grand Junction, Colorado's community Web site, discussions, forums, message boards, wiki and more. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:43:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Todd http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2444 Todd Thu, 08 May 2008 19:43:44 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2444 I thought, for a second, you were talking about Jessica Rabbit. "I'm just drawn that way..." Maybe it's a generational thing. I thought, for a second, you were talking about Jessica Rabbit. “I’m just drawn that way…”

Maybe it’s a generational thing.

]]> By: Willis_Leon_Johnson http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2443 Willis_Leon_Johnson Thu, 08 May 2008 19:26:17 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2443 How abut an idea to help cure this problem in the future? Whoever wants out of the marriage, walks away clean. Leaves the house, the kids, all the possessions gathered during the marriage and goes off to live their own life? And pays a reasonable child support to the person that stayed. That way, there is a penalty for poor behavior and/or bad choices. It would even have the effect of getting a lot of garbage off the dockets so the courts could perform much more efficiently. Homer Simpson is a cartoon? Well! that explains a lot about Jessica's behavior... How abut an idea to help cure this problem in the future?

Whoever wants out of the marriage, walks away clean.

Leaves the house, the kids, all the possessions gathered during the marriage and goes off to live their own life? And pays a reasonable child support to the person that stayed.

That way, there is a penalty for poor behavior and/or bad choices.

It would even have the effect of getting a lot of garbage off the dockets so the courts could perform much more efficiently.

Homer Simpson is a cartoon? Well! that explains a lot about Jessica’s behavior…

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2439 Curmudgeon Thu, 08 May 2008 19:16:24 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2439 I agree with everyone who commented; their are deadbeat moms as well as dads, and sleazy behavior, in epidemic proportions, on both sides of the issue. But I'm too much of a smart-aleck not to point out that Homer Simpson is no 'deadbeat' Dad. Sure, he's a lazy, self-indulgent shlub, but he loves his children, he's still married to their mother, and he's had the same job (minus a few side adventures) for almost 20 years. He's also a cartoon. I agree with everyone who commented; their are deadbeat moms as well as dads, and sleazy behavior, in epidemic proportions, on both sides of the issue.
But I’m too much of a smart-aleck not to point out that Homer Simpson is no ‘deadbeat’ Dad. Sure, he’s a lazy, self-indulgent shlub, but he loves his children, he’s still married to their mother, and he’s had the same job (minus a few side adventures) for almost 20 years.
He’s also a cartoon.

]]> By: jen http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2435 jen Thu, 08 May 2008 18:57:58 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2435 dc, agreed. dc, agreed.

]]> By: dc http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2420 dc Thu, 08 May 2008 17:56:57 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2420 Thanks jen, My personal experience with the system was many years ago and so whatever scars I had are long healed. Alas, it is, indeed, the kids who take the real beating ( figuratively and sometimes literally ). I think much of the problem is a tendency to develop very narrow policies and procedures by the organizations and also that some workers carry their own baggage into the system. Please understand that I think the "Social Service" system does some good things. Perhaps the problem is that a bureaucratic system is applied where a more open and family based philosophy might be better. Some Social Service workers are ambitious and take their accomplishments more into account than the actual welfare of the child. Note that I said "some", not all. Thanks jen,

My personal experience with the system was many years ago and so whatever scars I had are long healed. Alas, it is, indeed, the kids who take the real beating ( figuratively and sometimes literally ). I think much of the problem is a tendency to develop very narrow policies and procedures by the organizations and also that some workers carry their own baggage into the system.

Please understand that I think the “Social Service” system does some good things. Perhaps the problem is that a bureaucratic system is applied where a more open and family based philosophy might be better. Some Social Service workers are ambitious and take their accomplishments more into account than the actual welfare of the child. Note that I said “some”, not all.

]]> By: jen http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2418 jen Thu, 08 May 2008 17:35:52 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2418 dc, sounds like you have been thru the wringer and I'm sorry. Not only are you suffering, but also your kid(s). I only hope that the woman that are like this get to experience "karma" on a front line basis. Social Services should NOT come into play where they are not needed. There are plenty of things to keep them busy but that might entail someone getting out from behind the desk to check on a report of child abuse! dc, sounds like you have been thru the wringer and I’m sorry. Not only are you suffering, but also your kid(s). I only hope that the woman that are like this get to experience “karma” on a front line basis. Social Services should NOT come into play where they are not needed. There are plenty of things to keep them busy but that might entail someone getting out from behind the desk to check on a report of child abuse!

]]> By: dc http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2417 dc Thu, 08 May 2008 17:25:56 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2417 Add to that a "social service" system that has a tendency to display a "pit bull" mentality and it can get pretty ugly. I am not a big fan of the way that system operates. Add to that a “social service” system that has a tendency to display a “pit bull” mentality and it can get pretty ugly. I am not a big fan of the way that system operates.

]]> By: jen http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2415 jen Thu, 08 May 2008 17:20:41 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2415 Willis, you are right! I am a single mommy to two kids and the "mommy's" that you speak of give all of us a bad wrap, just like "dead beat dad's" give all daddy's a bad wrap. I dont believe that judges look at the whole picture. My kids' dad sometimes doesnt get the "support" to me when he should, but he ALWAYS pays it. Some women try to hold their kid for "ransom" (as I like to call it) and the only ones hurt by that game are the kids! It isnt fair to the dad or the kids in these situations. There are alot of men out there that would give their children a much more stable and loving home but until the judges see this, I am sorry to say that the children of these women will remain victims! Willis, you are right! I am a single mommy to two kids and the “mommy’s” that you speak of give all of us a bad wrap, just like “dead beat dad’s” give all daddy’s a bad wrap. I dont believe that judges look at the whole picture. My kids’ dad sometimes doesnt get the “support” to me when he should, but he ALWAYS pays it. Some women try to hold their kid for “ransom” (as I like to call it) and the only ones hurt by that game are the kids! It isnt fair to the dad or the kids in these situations. There are alot of men out there that would give their children a much more stable and loving home but until the judges see this, I am sorry to say that the children of these women will remain victims!

]]> By: Willis_Leon_Johnson http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2414 Willis_Leon_Johnson Thu, 08 May 2008 17:14:40 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2414 I've seen quite a few good young men destroyed by women who feel that the lowlife scumbag they married should just let them sleep with whoever they want, pay their bills, and stay married to them. In addition to rearing children born during the marriage, not of their creation. I’ve seen quite a few good young men destroyed by women who feel that the lowlife scumbag they married should just let them sleep with whoever they want, pay their bills, and stay married to them.

In addition to rearing children born during the marriage, not of their creation.

]]> By: dc http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2411 dc Thu, 08 May 2008 17:07:44 +0000 http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/the-plight-of-real-fathers-is-left-untold/#comment-2411 Willis, Thanks for saying the above. I believe you are right on the mark here. We have a disfunctional system that has long granted an unfair bias to mothers. Not that I have a bias against mothers. It's just that they are not always the best parent. I am speaking from experience here. Willis,

Thanks for saying the above. I believe you are right on the mark here. We have a disfunctional system that has long granted an unfair bias to mothers. Not that I have a bias against mothers. It’s just that they are not always the best parent. I am speaking from experience here.

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