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	<title>Comments on: CSAPs and bond item are two different issues</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Voice wrote: "Class of 52
And speaking of backing up what you say, What colleges and universities would those be? What was your major? and when did you teach at these
“great universities”
Thank you

I was a professor of biochemistry for roughly half of my career at the Universities of Wisconsin and Kansas.  I was also head of the Cell Biology program at the National Science Foundation in Washington D.C. for two years and for most of the remainder I was head of research and development for a couple of large pharmaceutical companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Voice wrote: &#8220;Class of 52<br />
And speaking of backing up what you say, What colleges and universities would those be? What was your major? and when did you teach at these<br />
“great universities”<br />
Thank you</p>
<p>I was a professor of biochemistry for roughly half of my career at the Universities of Wisconsin and Kansas.  I was also head of the Cell Biology program at the National Science Foundation in Washington D.C. for two years and for most of the remainder I was head of research and development for a couple of large pharmaceutical companies.</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2946</guid>
		<description>Mike, I like your style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I like your style.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeHunt</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeHunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why would anyone engage in ridiculous non-conversation with these rottweilers and stalkers? what is the point? it's only a headbanging and soulsucking exercise. 

i thought this was a venue for ideas and rational discussion, not some childish military game of perceived attrition by the self-appointed self-important ones who attempt to "wear the enemy down" by offering little of substance except annoyance, distraction and background noise.

better to just ignore them and keep your soul intact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why would anyone engage in ridiculous non-conversation with these rottweilers and stalkers? what is the point? it&#8217;s only a headbanging and soulsucking exercise. </p>
<p>i thought this was a venue for ideas and rational discussion, not some childish military game of perceived attrition by the self-appointed self-important ones who attempt to &#8220;wear the enemy down&#8221; by offering little of substance except annoyance, distraction and background noise.</p>
<p>better to just ignore them and keep your soul intact</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2943</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2943</guid>
		<description>one.voice, you must always keep in mind that

 " CSAPs and bond item are two different issues ", 

is all about how wonderful, and how educated jef is, and the stellar intelligence of his offspring.

It has nothing to do with the actual topic under discussion.

I know better, but it so much fun egging him on sometimes.

I apologize to the rest of the members for my selfish attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one.voice, you must always keep in mind that</p>
<p> &#8221; CSAPs and bond item are two different issues &#8220;, </p>
<p>is all about how wonderful, and how educated jef is, and the stellar intelligence of his offspring.</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the actual topic under discussion.</p>
<p>I know better, but it so much fun egging him on sometimes.</p>
<p>I apologize to the rest of the members for my selfish attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: one.voice</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2941</link>
		<dc:creator>one.voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2941</guid>
		<description>Class of 52
And speaking of backing up what you say, What colleges and universities would those be? What was your major? and when did you teach at these
"great universities"
Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Class of 52<br />
And speaking of backing up what you say, What colleges and universities would those be? What was your major? and when did you teach at these<br />
&#8220;great universities&#8221;<br />
Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2939</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2939</guid>
		<description>uhoh, jef went to 'great universities'.

That must mean that he got a 'great' education, and anybody that went to a 'not great' university doesn't possess a superior intellect.

Bummer.

I guess that 'splains why all us hicks is so dumb and can't unnerstand nuthin'....

well golly gee.

He taught at them too, which helps explain some more questions that I wasn't going to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhoh, jef went to &#8216;great universities&#8217;.</p>
<p>That must mean that he got a &#8216;great&#8217; education, and anybody that went to a &#8216;not great&#8217; university doesn&#8217;t possess a superior intellect.</p>
<p>Bummer.</p>
<p>I guess that &#8217;splains why all us hicks is so dumb and can&#8217;t unnerstand nuthin&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p>well golly gee.</p>
<p>He taught at them too, which helps explain some more questions that I wasn&#8217;t going to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2937</guid>
		<description>WLJ: She also learned manners from the same era by authors with a desire to write down real stuff instead of “I wish this what had really happened” written down by, apparently, the authors of books they gave you to study in college.

Not in the great universities I attended and taught.  Perhaps in places like Bob Jones "University".  Did you go to a school like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLJ: She also learned manners from the same era by authors with a desire to write down real stuff instead of “I wish this what had really happened” written down by, apparently, the authors of books they gave you to study in college.</p>
<p>Not in the great universities I attended and taught.  Perhaps in places like Bob Jones &#8220;University&#8221;.  Did you go to a school like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2935</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2935</guid>
		<description>Actually, she learned her early American history from books written prior to the turn of the 2oth century.

So what she learned was not the more modern, fashionable version of rewritten history.

She also learned manners from the same era by authors with a desire to write down real stuff instead of "I wish this what had really happened" written down by, apparently, the authors of books they gave you to study in college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, she learned her early American history from books written prior to the turn of the 2oth century.</p>
<p>So what she learned was not the more modern, fashionable version of rewritten history.</p>
<p>She also learned manners from the same era by authors with a desire to write down real stuff instead of &#8220;I wish this what had really happened&#8221; written down by, apparently, the authors of books they gave you to study in college.</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2931</guid>
		<description>WLJ wrote: "...and the third teaches children the truth about liberals in a liberal college while she is attending classes there."

Glad to hear your gdaughter is in a "liberal" college  whatever that means.  However, a good university has a way of making us reexamine our assumptions and beliefs.  So you may be somewhat disappointed in your expectations after your gDaughter has been exposed to the great ideas of the world.

In my own case, coming from an ultra conservative small town background and a fundamentalist father, I was more than a little shocked to find that my mentors, especially the religious ones, had been-shall we say- somewhat less than truthful about the history and state of the world.  The university taught me to question assumptions based on nothing but faith and look at the actual documented evidence.  I am now like most scientists a confirmed skeptic.  I try not to use the term "believe" since that implies acceptance on faith.  I accept nothing on faith.  I require evidence.  I either know that something is likely to be true based on available evidence or I do not know.  I have no problems with anyone else choosing to accept ideas on faith so long as they do not try to convince the rest of us that their faith based notions constitute truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLJ wrote: &#8220;&#8230;and the third teaches children the truth about liberals in a liberal college while she is attending classes there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to hear your gdaughter is in a &#8220;liberal&#8221; college  whatever that means.  However, a good university has a way of making us reexamine our assumptions and beliefs.  So you may be somewhat disappointed in your expectations after your gDaughter has been exposed to the great ideas of the world.</p>
<p>In my own case, coming from an ultra conservative small town background and a fundamentalist father, I was more than a little shocked to find that my mentors, especially the religious ones, had been-shall we say- somewhat less than truthful about the history and state of the world.  The university taught me to question assumptions based on nothing but faith and look at the actual documented evidence.  I am now like most scientists a confirmed skeptic.  I try not to use the term &#8220;believe&#8221; since that implies acceptance on faith.  I accept nothing on faith.  I require evidence.  I either know that something is likely to be true based on available evidence or I do not know.  I have no problems with anyone else choosing to accept ideas on faith so long as they do not try to convince the rest of us that their faith based notions constitute truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2929</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/14/csaps-and-bond-item-are-two-different-issues/#comment-2929</guid>
		<description>yeah, but it's more like Willis boarding....

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but it&#8217;s more like Willis boarding&#8230;.</p>
<p> <img src='http://community.gjsentinel.com/community/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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