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	<title>Comments on: Wildlife are forced to cope with drill pads</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4616</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4616</guid>
		<description>You know, that's true - about public servants forgetting who they serve. 

Right now, at least one candidate running for re-election in Garfield County is running on that very premise - that government needs to be given back to the people. Again and again industry has been favored over the interests of the public. The county already has so little to say about how industry operates in the county, that we really need someone to take into account the much bigger picture, balance the interests and think about the longevity and the economic sustainability of our region. 

I say YUK to politics. It's time regular people started looking out for regular people once again... if in fact, they ever did. The fact is that industry pollutes on a grand scale - though there are companies who do a much better job of stewardship than others. 

These proposed regulations will help level the playing field and stop giving non-compliant fly-by-nighters the economic advantage over operators who try to do things right. Even if Meis can't (or won't) see the reasoning, the truth is that our broader economy, the folks that make a living from industry and our wildlife will only benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, that&#8217;s true - about public servants forgetting who they serve. </p>
<p>Right now, at least one candidate running for re-election in Garfield County is running on that very premise - that government needs to be given back to the people. Again and again industry has been favored over the interests of the public. The county already has so little to say about how industry operates in the county, that we really need someone to take into account the much bigger picture, balance the interests and think about the longevity and the economic sustainability of our region. </p>
<p>I say YUK to politics. It&#8217;s time regular people started looking out for regular people once again&#8230; if in fact, they ever did. The fact is that industry pollutes on a grand scale - though there are companies who do a much better job of stewardship than others. </p>
<p>These proposed regulations will help level the playing field and stop giving non-compliant fly-by-nighters the economic advantage over operators who try to do things right. Even if Meis can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) see the reasoning, the truth is that our broader economy, the folks that make a living from industry and our wildlife will only benefit from it.</p>
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		<title>By: RLaitres</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>RLaitres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4605</guid>
		<description>It is interesting to note the criticism of Mr. Meis.  It is not that unusual in many seeking public office to find that they are unable to distinguish, or leave behind their mode of thinking from "self-service" to "public service."  In many such minds it is all the same, and comes from a really basic problem many suffer from.  It is "What's good for me HAS to be good for others."
What is really interesting is that so many who appear on the editorial pages of local newspapers, or on some of these boards, and who support Mr. Meis, themselves have close "association" with the industry, or have close ties to those who do.  The lack of depth for the reasons they give is also distinguishable by its shallowness.  "I saw" or "I observed" around these drill pads...."  While individual observations are important, when studying a broad problem or potential problem, it is necessary to have "many" such observations, for an extended period of time, and by impartial and trained individuals who are trained, and know what to look for.  Those who restrict themselves to infrequent personal observations, then project what they saw in particular instances are not at all qualified to reach such conclusions.  
They really place themselves in the same class, and at the same intellectual level as those who, for centuries and millenia believed that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around the earth, and that we were the center of the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note the criticism of Mr. Meis.  It is not that unusual in many seeking public office to find that they are unable to distinguish, or leave behind their mode of thinking from &#8220;self-service&#8221; to &#8220;public service.&#8221;  In many such minds it is all the same, and comes from a really basic problem many suffer from.  It is &#8220;What&#8217;s good for me HAS to be good for others.&#8221;<br />
What is really interesting is that so many who appear on the editorial pages of local newspapers, or on some of these boards, and who support Mr. Meis, themselves have close &#8220;association&#8221; with the industry, or have close ties to those who do.  The lack of depth for the reasons they give is also distinguishable by its shallowness.  &#8220;I saw&#8221; or &#8220;I observed&#8221; around these drill pads&#8230;.&#8221;  While individual observations are important, when studying a broad problem or potential problem, it is necessary to have &#8220;many&#8221; such observations, for an extended period of time, and by impartial and trained individuals who are trained, and know what to look for.  Those who restrict themselves to infrequent personal observations, then project what they saw in particular instances are not at all qualified to reach such conclusions.<br />
They really place themselves in the same class, and at the same intellectual level as those who, for centuries and millenia believed that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around the earth, and that we were the center of the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4604</guid>
		<description>" EE
Posted June 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm  PM This User  Report this comment  

What’s more asinine? Meis comments or his conflict of interest "

The only answer to this one is;

The poster has the "Asinine Question of the Weeks" award.

Obviously this poster pops in and thinks that nobody else has posted any comments on the sunbect and spews forth with biased garbage with no connection to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; EE<br />
Posted June 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm  PM This User  Report this comment  </p>
<p>What’s more asinine? Meis comments or his conflict of interest &#8221;</p>
<p>The only answer to this one is;</p>
<p>The poster has the &#8220;Asinine Question of the Weeks&#8221; award.</p>
<p>Obviously this poster pops in and thinks that nobody else has posted any comments on the sunbect and spews forth with biased garbage with no connection to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4602</link>
		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4602</guid>
		<description>What’s more asinine? Meis comments or his conflict of interest

On Craig Meis comments that drilling is good for wildlife
What planet does Craig Meis live on?  We live in an area surrounded by
drilling, sludge pits, strong odors, ungodly noise, bright halogen
lights all which go 24/7 and I will tell you the wildlife DO NOT like
it.  Meis comments bring into question not only his motives and sense
but also those he associates with.  We have seen what happens to
wildlife and it's sad; they become confused and totally stressed which
means they either adapt or die off.  Well pads have taken over their
food supply, calving areas and migration routes, they have no choice but
be near some pad somewhere - the pads are everywhere.  Saying bulldozing
every tree and blade of grass is good for wildlife; is the most
ridiculous thing from Meis's mouth lately - wildlife needs habitat - not
bare dirt to survive.  Seen a good aerial map of the total destruction
lately?  It will make you sick. Check out week 28 on
journeyoftheforsaken.com to see pictures of how much deer like life along
the trucking routes. Meis seems to think bare toxic dirt is just what
Colorado needs. He seems to think we all like it - just like the wildlife.
Reclamation doesn't exist; unless it's maintained and irrigated, only
noxious weeds thrive, and there goes our once beautiful state for many
generations.

Craig Meis owns Cordilleran Services and profits from
industry (especially when they mess up) by doing water testing.  Seems it
would greatly increase his income by helping industry: the more industry
pollutes, more income for him. Since he is a commissioner, makes his
living from industry, is against COGCC rules (that we all desperately
need to protect us) I would say this is a conflict of interest.  He
should either work as a commissioner for the public good
or work for industry. He's made it clear he cannot do both. The taxpayers
are paying his commissioner's salary, but he must have forgotten that part.
No wait, he is making money from both of us --- taxpayers and the energy
industry.  Wow - conflict of interest big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s more asinine? Meis comments or his conflict of interest</p>
<p>On Craig Meis comments that drilling is good for wildlife<br />
What planet does Craig Meis live on?  We live in an area surrounded by<br />
drilling, sludge pits, strong odors, ungodly noise, bright halogen<br />
lights all which go 24/7 and I will tell you the wildlife DO NOT like<br />
it.  Meis comments bring into question not only his motives and sense<br />
but also those he associates with.  We have seen what happens to<br />
wildlife and it&#8217;s sad; they become confused and totally stressed which<br />
means they either adapt or die off.  Well pads have taken over their<br />
food supply, calving areas and migration routes, they have no choice but<br />
be near some pad somewhere - the pads are everywhere.  Saying bulldozing<br />
every tree and blade of grass is good for wildlife; is the most<br />
ridiculous thing from Meis&#8217;s mouth lately - wildlife needs habitat - not<br />
bare dirt to survive.  Seen a good aerial map of the total destruction<br />
lately?  It will make you sick. Check out week 28 on<br />
journeyoftheforsaken.com to see pictures of how much deer like life along<br />
the trucking routes. Meis seems to think bare toxic dirt is just what<br />
Colorado needs. He seems to think we all like it - just like the wildlife.<br />
Reclamation doesn&#8217;t exist; unless it&#8217;s maintained and irrigated, only<br />
noxious weeds thrive, and there goes our once beautiful state for many<br />
generations.</p>
<p>Craig Meis owns Cordilleran Services and profits from<br />
industry (especially when they mess up) by doing water testing.  Seems it<br />
would greatly increase his income by helping industry: the more industry<br />
pollutes, more income for him. Since he is a commissioner, makes his<br />
living from industry, is against COGCC rules (that we all desperately<br />
need to protect us) I would say this is a conflict of interest.  He<br />
should either work as a commissioner for the public good<br />
or work for industry. He&#8217;s made it clear he cannot do both. The taxpayers<br />
are paying his commissioner&#8217;s salary, but he must have forgotten that part.<br />
No wait, he is making money from both of us &#8212; taxpayers and the energy<br />
industry.  Wow - conflict of interest big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4566</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4566</guid>
		<description>Rexall: "You must be so proud!!
I’ll bet your(sic) a legend in your own mind!

I am indeed proud of that film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexall: &#8220;You must be so proud!!<br />
I’ll bet your(sic) a legend in your own mind!</p>
<p>I am indeed proud of that film.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4563</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4563</guid>
		<description>I don't know Rexall.

Is it possible to be a legend in a vacuum?

2 months in BC?

Any chance of a repeat this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Rexall.</p>
<p>Is it possible to be a legend in a vacuum?</p>
<p>2 months in BC?</p>
<p>Any chance of a repeat this year?</p>
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		<title>By: Rexall</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4559</guid>
		<description>You must be so proud!! 
I'll bet your a legend in your own mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be so proud!!<br />
I&#8217;ll bet your a legend in your own mind!</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4445</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4445</guid>
		<description>Rexall: "Wrong again 52! You really should stick to the topics that you have knowledge of. Public lands and wildlife are not among them"

I made a film for the DOW which was shown for years (and may still be for all I know) at the Visitor Centers on the major highways coming into the state.  As background for that film I studied in some detail the history of hunting and fishing in the state.  Some of that material was incorporated in the film.  And whether or not you used that motivation for your statement, the facts as I stated them about the low level of game due to unregulated overhunting in the 1940s are true.  Indeed that is why the DOW people make such a point of it; they intend to show that with the proper regulations and constraint on hunting and fishing, wildlife will increase.

As for my not knowing anything about public lands and wildlife, I probably spend as much time as any poster on this forum on public lands.  Last summer I spent two months camping in the wilderness of northern British Columbia on an extended fishing trip.

And the data show a decrease in the figures obtained in the research: plain for everyone to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexall: &#8220;Wrong again 52! You really should stick to the topics that you have knowledge of. Public lands and wildlife are not among them&#8221;</p>
<p>I made a film for the DOW which was shown for years (and may still be for all I know) at the Visitor Centers on the major highways coming into the state.  As background for that film I studied in some detail the history of hunting and fishing in the state.  Some of that material was incorporated in the film.  And whether or not you used that motivation for your statement, the facts as I stated them about the low level of game due to unregulated overhunting in the 1940s are true.  Indeed that is why the DOW people make such a point of it; they intend to show that with the proper regulations and constraint on hunting and fishing, wildlife will increase.</p>
<p>As for my not knowing anything about public lands and wildlife, I probably spend as much time as any poster on this forum on public lands.  Last summer I spent two months camping in the wilderness of northern British Columbia on an extended fishing trip.</p>
<p>And the data show a decrease in the figures obtained in the research: plain for everyone to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Rexall</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4440</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4440</guid>
		<description>Wrong again 52! You really should stick to the topics that you have knowledge of. Public lands and wildlife are not among them.

I picked the 40's because the Colorado DOW (that is Division of Wildlife for you 52), which some people here think is so great has made that claim. I actually think that the DOW is wrong at least half the time so who knows!!!

In your mind the data may always show a derease!

Oh I am not a NRA member either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong again 52! You really should stick to the topics that you have knowledge of. Public lands and wildlife are not among them.</p>
<p>I picked the 40&#8217;s because the Colorado DOW (that is Division of Wildlife for you 52), which some people here think is so great has made that claim. I actually think that the DOW is wrong at least half the time so who knows!!!</p>
<p>In your mind the data may always show a derease!</p>
<p>Oh I am not a NRA member either!</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4424</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/28/wildlife-are-forced-to-cope-with-drill-pads/#comment-4424</guid>
		<description>Rexall: There are more elk than tere has ever been. There are more elk in Colorado now than there was(sic) in the entire U S in the 1940’s(sic)."

He picks the 1940s because this was an era before regulations were really enforced.  We have all seen the huge mountains of game killed by hunters during that period.  Deer and elk (and trout) in Colorado were hunted and fished almost to extinction by an increasing and unregulated population.  Let's compare the situation to say the 1880s.  Most of the scientific studies compare the population before and after drilling activities.  The data always show a decrease in elk and deer population.  So what we have here is not environmental hogwash but rightwing NRA type hogwash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexall: There are more elk than tere has ever been. There are more elk in Colorado now than there was(sic) in the entire U S in the 1940’s(sic).&#8221;</p>
<p>He picks the 1940s because this was an era before regulations were really enforced.  We have all seen the huge mountains of game killed by hunters during that period.  Deer and elk (and trout) in Colorado were hunted and fished almost to extinction by an increasing and unregulated population.  Let&#8217;s compare the situation to say the 1880s.  Most of the scientific studies compare the population before and after drilling activities.  The data always show a decrease in elk and deer population.  So what we have here is not environmental hogwash but rightwing NRA type hogwash.</p>
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