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The recent unfounded attacks on Commissioner Craig Meis are typical of the knee-jerk environmentalist wacko crowd. They should get out of town and make some observations. That includes the DOW.
I am a native of western Colorado. I started hunting the Bookcliffs/Douglas Pass with my dad in the 1940’s. I worked on the first pipeline over Douglas Pass in 1953 – the pipeline that brought clean-burning, convenient, reasonably-priced energy to Grand Junction for the first time. I am a registered professional petroleum engineer. I am not a wildlife expert, but I am a hunter and a trained observer. I love Western Colorado – the main degradation to the environment I can see is the tremendous influx of “dudes” from California and the East – “dudes” who get here for one month and then decide they know more about the country than we do.
During the 1940’s and through the 1960’s we never saw any elk in the Bookcliffs/Douglas Pass. Elk were so scarce in the high mountains that hunters never bought a tag, but waited until they saw elk to buy a tag (this was allowed in those days). Drilling has been going on more or less continuously in the Bookcliffs/Douglas Pass since the 1950’s. The San Arroyo area on the Utah/Colorado line has myriad roads and wells and pipelines everywhere, yet I now observe herds of elk, wild turkeys, coyotes, bears and grouse on a regular basis.
The same goes for Douglas Pass – I see more bears on Douglas Pass than I see in Yellowstone Park. I see herd(s) of elk on nearly every trip to the Rangely area. On a recent trip, my wife and I saw a mama bobcat and three kittens crossing the Douglas Pass highway right in front of us – I had to jump on the brakes to miss them.
The reseeding rehabilitation of drilling locations and pipeline rights-of-way provides excellent forage for elk, antelope and deer. I have personally observed two four-point buck deer square off and fight on a gas well location while we were working on the well. I will never be convinced that drilling is bad for wildlife. I’ve personally observed too much to the contrary. There are now more elk in Colorado than ever – in spite of drilling activity, and in spite of false claims by the DOW and the habitual obstructionists who do not get out and observe the real life that is there.
I’m sure that members of the Western Colorado Congress, the Sierra Club, the self-appointed do-gooders and all the other habitual obstructionists would be dismayed to find the heat didn’t come up on a winter morning because there was no natural gas in the line, or there was no fuel at the pump when their vehicles need fuel, or electricity available in ample amounts for all their iPods, computers and gadgets. Folks, this nation grew great on abundant, reasonably-priced energy. Without energy, we are dead in the water. Please don’t forget that. Craig Meis is merely trying to do his job – which is to look after the needs of the citizens of Mesa County.
We now have some self-serving politicians – both national and state – who are trying to slow down offshore drilling, oil shale, tar-sand crude from Canada and diesel-from-coal while we are all strangling on atrocious fuel prices. What are these people thinking about?
Without the benefits of drilling, logging, farming and mining, life would, indeed, be a drudgery for all of us. To get these conveniences, we must give up a little of our pristine views. After the drilling is done, everything quiets down. No real wealth is created without digging in the dirt.
J. N. BURKHALTER
Grand Junction
53 Responses to “Attacks on Meis are unfounded”
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 1:16 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Here’s an energy savings plan.
If you support the energy exploration and development, you get gas and electricity.
If you’re against it, no gas, no electricity, no gasoline.
Think of the savings and the massive cuts in emissions.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
OK,
And if you are for unfettered, all-out, drill and dig everywhere, right now, with no enforced rules,you get to drink only from a reserve pit and get to breathe from a tank filled with nothing but VOCs and Ozone.
I can survive that deal. Can you?
Can you only think in black and white Willis? Does it have to be either/or?
How about responsible energy development with common sense protections for wildlife, clean air, clean water, and public health? That is what is going on here.
I find it amusing that Mr. Burkhalter cites self-serving politicians as the problem. Is any entity on earth more self serving than Big oil? Does he really expect us to believe that Exxon/Mobil wants to drill the hell out of the United Staes for patriotic reasons? As Snagglepuss used to say,” It is to laugh “.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 2:34 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
dc, have you ever been on a drilling location? We already practice responsible energy development. Do you drive a car? Well then, you are contributing to the degradation of our clean air. Have you ever been skiing or snowboarding? Gosh, just think of all the animals that were displaced by those monstrosities and the million dollar homes around them! Please use common sense. We need the energy and it has to come from somewhere.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 2:53 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
hmk,
dc, while mostly a nice person, has a penchant for the absurd.
The evil big oil companies are destroying the entire wold with no thought of the environment.
The realities of what actually goes on out in the patch are totally irrelevant to his position.
My position is, if he, and others like him feel so strongly abut hydrocarbons, stop using them and it will cut down on the need for all this drilling.
But, that would be a sacrifice on his part, and THAT will never happen.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
hmk,
Yes, I have been on many locations. I worked in the gas industry for a number of years and I still have three family members who do. Of course we need the energy. And NO ONE is trying to stop energy development in western Colordo. This rulemaking process is about making bad players accountable for their actions and trying to devise a way to continue to develop our resources without laying waste to our beautiful state.
There are some companies that do an excellent job of environmental stewardship. Clustered development, pitless drilling, green fracing, etc. You bet, we love it. Unfortunately, not even most energy outfits ( particularly sub-contractors ) are committed to doing it right. Environmentalists did not invent all the spills, damaged water wells, polluted creeks, dirty air, and wildlife impacts. These things are real.
The problem is the industry lobby that has taken a “no change in the status quo” approach. They even mislead their workers. For instance; did you know that all a company has to do to avoid any timing restrictions ( the ones that are supposed to shut down the industry )is agree to plan ahead with the DOW and cluster their pads to minimize habitat destruction? Not only that, the areas where restrictions would apply are not extensive. Most available land is not subject to those timing restrictions in the first place.
Once again. I know many of the people who are working with the “Greenies”, including the many ranchers, sportsmen, and local community elected officials supporting them. Not one of them is trying to stop energy development. Period. Common sense protection for wildlife, clean air, clean water, and public health is the only goal; regardless of what you hear from Kathy Hall and her protege, Craig Meis.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hear hear dc, hear hear! You speaketh the truth my friend!
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
…and I thank you for it, because these other comments, frankly leave me speechless. And that’s hard to do!
Oh wait - I hear the Republican in me say to my Independent self: Get the hell out of my way, green weenie! What the hell do you know about anything. You’re just a sandal-wearing freak of Jesus who woudn’t know the American flag if you wiped your ‘feet’ with it. You commie. I say, let’s strap a couple of 4 wheelers in the back of my 1-ton deisel while I go run over some little trees and cough up some VOCs- YEAH BABY! WHOOOO HOOOOO!!! Maybe I’ll score some points on a few bunnies who cross my path!
Well now the Democrat in me has to speak up. I’ve jumped on the back of the Republican and I’m gnashing at the short hairs of his burr haircut. I’m also singing at the top of my lungs while beating him with my Obama for President sign, “Come together, right now, over me!” And there’s a whole herd of my Democrat friends answering the call. The smoked tofu served at the nearby presidential rally goes flying as they rush to the scene and immediatley form a sit-in ring around the offender. Here they sway back and forth and chant - give peace a chance… Meanwhile the Republican is beating me off his back with a tire chain.
The Independent in me just sighs and walks away. I can’t even look anymore.
Posted June 9th, 2008 at 11:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Burkhalter: “I am a native of western Colorado. I started hunting the Bookcliffs/Douglas Pass with my dad in the 1940’s.”
Then it is probably people like you who are responsible for the disappearance of elk and deer in the 40’s and 50’s. In my video production which can be seen at the visitor centers on major highways all over the state, there are numerous photos supplied by the DOW showing the massive slaughter of game and piles of antlers in the “good old days” which resulted in the depletion, almost extinction of many animals and fish. Fortunately the actions of the state in creating the DOW and putting in tight regulations to control game hogs and poachers has brought about a return of many of the game animals which are now threatened anew by oil drilling as all controlled studies have shown.
Burkhart thinks that the coincidence of oil and gas drilling with the increased game we have seen in recent years means something. It is elementary that coincidence does not indicate causality. Using Burkhalter’s reasoning we could just as well argue that the game animals are increasing becuse Mr. Burkhalter is getting older.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 7:14 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
gene,
get off your Bombastic Buffoonery pulpit and refer to Mr. Burkhalter as,
MISTER Burkhalter.
Taking HONESTY and INTEGRITY as well as INTELLIGENCE into consideration, he is a far better person than you could ever hope to be.
Your own failed, or made up memories, if they are in disagreement with Mr. Burkhalters, his are most certainly correct.
And this ‘movie’ of which you speak, was it done in the same format as “the guns of autumn” presented by cbs?
There is an old saying, “Great Minds Think Alike”.
That also holds true for the disciples of Goebbles.
” “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the Bombastic Buffoon Brigade.””
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Opinion
An open letter to the people of the Western Slope. The voice of America is being silenced. In every community, all over this nation, there are small groups of left wing, radical activists, that are working to silence your voice, and take away your freedom. By their actions and victories they appear much larger than they actually are. Over the past three years we have done a great deal of research to find out who these people actually are, how many they are, what issues they are involved in, how they work ,who funds them., and what their goals are. What we have discovered is quite amazing. We first discovered that we were seeing the same faces and hearing the same names as opponents to, or advocates for widely diverse issues.
Among these are; environmental, wilderness advocacy, public land use, grazing permits, banning ATV use, gay and lesbian advocacy, illegal immigration advocacy, gas and oil exploration opposition, anti-war, anti-hunter, advocates for atheism, legal opposition to religious references, ten commandments, prayer, etc., advocacy for “diversity” curriculum in the middle schools. Again, this is a very small minority, that is having a profound effect on our freedoms, our economy and our chosen life style. They are forcing their will on the majority, and they are being successful, because the average person is too busy making a living, and trying to raise their families to oppose them, to find out who they are, what groups they are involved in or even what their strategy is. Their infringements generally go unopposed and even unnoticed because of public apathy, political correctness or the ingrained desire of Americans to accommodate minority opinion. Negotiation is their tool and to negotiate for the sake of peace with this radical group is nothing more than time released surrender. Most of these people arrived on the Western Slope at or near the same time period. Most share identical academic backgrounds. They are doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, college professors., and some even call themselves pastors, news paper reporters, engineers, child and family counselors, but they all share one common profession ; they are radical, far left political activists., who are determined and dedicated to achieving their goals by any means necessary. The key to understanding the relationship that they have with one another , and how their groups interact is their funding. Follow the money. They are well funded through trusts, foundations and grants, and they will continue to be successful as long as the American people remain asleep. If you read this letter, and you think that someone else is fighting your fight for you, then you are dead wrong. Myself and the very small group of people I represent cannot carry this fight alone. We are not funded. We are nothing more than the alarm clock for your wake up call. How seriously you take this warning, and what you do about it, individually, will determine what world your Grandchildren live in. We have done all we can do.
This will be our last post.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Well, at least onevoice had the decency to label his swan song as opinion (to which he is of course entitled).
The most humorous aspect of this “opinion” to my way of thinking is the following phrase: “They are doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, college professors., and some even call themselves pastors, news paper reporters, engineers, child and family counselors,…”
Oh yeah, this is really a fringe radical group alright. It seems they share one nasty trait in common according to OneVoice: education. Yep, you really have to watch out for those educated people. They have this trait which is very unsettling to the old time ranchers and street bums of Mesa County, they think for themselves and sometimes have original ideas and creative ways of solving problems.
One Voice continues to compile his secret list of such people. It reminds me strongly of the list compiled by the Gestapo of Jews and other undesirable people.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
I am a university educated, degreed computer science major and I’m not a far left political activist.
What of that, class?
Do you honestly think I am an anomaly or am I simply more outspoken than my educated conservative counterparts?
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sue: “I am a university educated, degreed computer science major and I’m not a far left political activist.
What of that, class?
Do you honestly think I am an anomaly or am I simply more outspoken than my educated conservative counterparts?”
Why are you addressing this to me? OneVoice made the stereotype, not I. I am perfectly aware that there are educated people on both sides of the political spectrum.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
I just love it when my posts “mysteriously” diappear, such as the one commenting on the “one.voice” manifesto. It leads me to believe one of two things. Either one.voice is a member of the Sentinel staff, and has the authority to delete posts, or someone at the Sentinel is in agreement with his views and is therefore complicit in deleting them. Whichever the case may be, this board therefore has a very serious problem with “censorship.”
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:37 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
CO52, I have no doubt that you are an intelligent and educated man. Why then do you compare “old time ranchers” with “street bums”? Do you have any idea how ignorant that makes you seem? Everyone that reads these threads knows that you feel superior to the people in happy valley. Do you only stay here because of the fact that if you were anywhere else you couldn’t spout your superiority? As I have told you before, I am a redneck, you will not insult me, but damn your hide for trying to constantly belittle the ranchers!
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:46 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sue: “Why then do you compare “old time ranchers” with “street bums”?”
What??? Are you our of your mind or just hear only what your preconceived ideas lead you to believe? I did not compare old time ranchers to street bums in any way shape or form. The fact that they both appeared in the same sentence does not compare them in any way. ” I like to eat eggs and mushrooms” Am I comparing eggs to mushrooms?
I have never in any comment on these forums claimed superiority to anyone, nor have I “spouted my superiority” in any instance. “Nor do I constantly belittle ranchers” If you disagree with these statements, I invite you to quote the offending sentences. We have played this game before and you never back up your assaults on me with anything factual. These are just your own prejudices.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sorry the last post should have quoted Jen, not Sue.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Class, I addressed it to you because you were the one who made the leap to education being the key to thinking for yourself (and believing your way is the only way?).
FYI, farmers and ranchers have been educated. Many that I know carry advanced degrees, they just don’t spout off at every turn. Nor do they resort to put downs in conversations with other people, educated or not.
By the way, Jen, I completely agree with you. Some of my best friends are rednecks. Rednecks know how to have fun and enjoy life! They do not feel the need to look down their noses at you. If you don’t have what they have… they share it so you can join in the fun. No pretense involved.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sue, Love ya girl.
CO52, please refer to post #11,”Yep, you really have to watch out for those educated people. They have this trait which is very unsettling to the old time ranchers and street bums of Mesa County, they think for themselves and sometimes have original ideas and creative ways of solving problems.” Now I know that you deem me less worthy and out of my mind, but yes I do see that as a comparison.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sue: “FYI, farmers and ranchers have been educated. Many that I know carry advanced degrees, they just don’t spout off at every turn. Nor do they resort to put downs in conversations with other people, educated or not.”
Did I not just say that educated people are to be found on both sides of the political spectrum just above??
And if you really believe your second sentence then you must have real tunnel vision on these forums, turning a blind eye to what many of the conservatives are saying. Indeed the most obscene language and personal insults by far have come from those folks with whom you identify politically.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Classof52 - What we are seeing is “reading in what is not there” but what the individual “believes is there.” There are many such instances, in particular in on-line boards, or forums. Even I, in some instances have reacted in such a manner when not taking the time to read carefully. I have then been obliged to apologize. So, particularly when attempting to respond to a very long posts, what I have done is to print them out, go over it point by point, and then formulate my reply. Of course, that does not apply to every post, merely the very long ones that either ask particular questions, or attempt to cover many points. I would rather do that than reply to every post, even if they are directed at me.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Class, I am only responsible for myself, my behavior and my treatment of others here or in person. Those “folks” you have tied me to are responsible for themselves in the same manner. Don’t play the blame game with me, you will not win, I have raised teenage girls that could put your twisted logic to shame.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
RLaitres,
I don’t think your post disappeared. One.voice posted this manifesto twice, here, and in the June 11 Letters thread. Your reply is there, I believe.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sue: Class, I am only responsible for myself, my behavior and my treatment of others here or in person. Those “folks” you have tied me to are responsible for themselves in the same manner. Don’t play the blame game with me, you will not win, I have raised teenage girls that could put your twisted logic to shame.
And I have a daughter who just graduated from a fine university who would say your logic above is about as stupid as anything she has heard. I said absolutely nothing about blaming you for comments made by others. You made that leap of illogic all by yourself.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:09 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
class: I would wash my daughters (adult and teenaged) mouths out with soap if they were so disrespectful as to say something someone said was stupid. Would you like to borrow some soap?
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
No. She is plain spoken and calls them as she sees them. People do make stupid statements. I have. Don’t you?
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Of course I do. Plain spoken can trannslate to rude if you are not careful. I choose to avoid being rude.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 10:46 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Laitres,
Re: Sentinel censorship rant.
It would appear that your complaint was totally unfounded, unsupportable and false. But in your mind, and your mind alone, that doesn’t require an apology.
What’s up with that? Values deficit, perhaps?
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
AP, be advised that the difference has been taken up with the staff of the Daily Sentinel, and we have cleared up any misunderstanding we may have had. Why you wish to get involved, only you can answer, both as to your interest and motivation.
You see, when there is a problem, or even a perceived one with communication, I go directly to the source. So, unless all you want to do is “score points”, you may be well advised to stay out of it. That is, unless of course, you consider yourself the “board monitor” entitled to impose standards upon others.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr Laitres said “AP, be advised that the difference has been taken up with the staff of the Daily Sentinel, and we have cleared up any misunderstanding we may have had. Why you wish to get involved, only you can answer, both as to your interest and motivation.”
I assume you have also taken it up with one.voice since you made an insinuation that he was part of the Sentinel staff, or did you verify that he was? That would be a logical conclusion and therefore an assertion, by innuendo. And since you chose to publicly subject the rest of us to your fit of temper, I would think at least we were entitled to know whether one voice is part of the staff. Why do you continue to make these unproven statements and insinuations and then dodge responsibility for the consequences? Anger management would seem to be in order, as well as a public apology, or at least a statement of fact, regarding one.voice.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Another paraphrase from Goebbels, famous Nazi propagandist.
“If the day should ever come when we, Bombastic Buffoon Brigade, must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction..”
Bob, from Delta, I think I hear the hinges beginning to squeak as you prepare to slam the door on your way out.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
AP, as I previously stated, the difference was between me and the Sentinel. It has nothing to do with either you or one.voice. And, that has been resolved to both our satisfaction, allowing for not only the possibility of my making an error but also potential technical problems. So, neither you nor one.voice is “due” or “entitled” to anything. That may come as a rude and shocking revelation to you, but is true nonetheless.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bobbie,
There are energy conservation concerns. Would you be so kind as to turn out the lights on your way out? Thank you in advance
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Johnson loves to quote Josef Goebbels. That is not surprising as, looking at most of his posts, Goebbels appears to be one of his heroes. Such may well explain why Mr. Johnnos is such an avid practioner of the “propaganda” art espoused by that character.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Laitres,
So are you saying that one.voice is a member of the Sentinel staff? You can’t just leave something like that flapping in the breeze. It just wouldn’t be right, Bobbie. As to anger management, it’s not really so bad, I went once, but it kept making me mad, so I quit. Try breathing into a paper bag, that works.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Is that his first name?
Your tirades are consistently in line with his teachings.
What’s that banging noise?
Oh, bobbie and gene must be banging their shoes on the table again.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I believe the person you were referring to was Joseph Paul Goebbels, not Josef. Did you think he was Jewish? Rumor has it that he didn’t shower much and slammed doors. That’s why nobody liked him.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
RL,
You can swallow your tongue doing that. Try holding it forward with a spoon and walk it off, bobbie.
By the way, the above post was for you too.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
A.P. “I believe the person you were referring to was Joseph Paul Goebbels, not Josef. Did you think he was Jewish?”
Have you ever studied any foreign language, AP? Apparently not. Goebbels was German and his first name was Josef. Josef is a German name equivalent to Joseph.
Dirk Nowitski is a great German basketball player for the Dallas Mavericks. His name is short for Diederick the German equivalent of Theodore in the Low German dialect. But nobody calls him Ted!
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Class of 52,
Ya hay Class. No, no foreign languages. I do speak several different native American languages and dialects and have a working knowledge of Spanish, and French, and what is commonly known as American Indian Sign language, but I didn’t study any of them. It was more or less learn by use, OJT training. As for the name, I just spelled it the same way Joseph Paul Goebbels did, but suspected he was incorrect, as apparently were his Mother and Father. You know how sloppy those Germans were at record keeping.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wrong on 2 counts. His name was Paul Josef Goebbels. And you apparently have read his name only in English translations. In the original German his name was spelled Josef. Numerous sites on the internet use the original German spelling, “Josef”. Here is one: http://www.usmbooks.com/goebbels_auwi.html
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 5:01 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
The foreign (non-US) spellings usually sound better anyway. Who sounds more like a great composer, Giuseppe Verdi, or Joe Green?
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 7:16 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
OneVoice
I will sincerely miss your input. Hopefully you are still reading even if you no longer post. Any chance I can get a copy of that list? I will send you my email address via a PM if you care to continue this conversation.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sassy,
Yes, Sassy, We are still reading. We will entertain your request. If you will include a statement as to how you intend to use the list. Is your request just for the list, or for the associated research and disc files? PM one.voice with your email address.
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 7:51 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
one.voice — post 17.
Holy cow.
A manifesto of paranoia and divisiveness I have not seen except in the history books.
Wow.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 8:09 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hey Bob, from Delta,
” RLaitres
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am PM This User Report this comment
AP, be advised that the difference has been taken up with the staff of the Daily Sentinel, and we have cleared up any misunderstanding we may have had. Why you wish to get involved, only you can answer, both as to your interest and motivation.
You see, when there is a problem, or even a perceived one with communication, I go directly to the source. So, unless all you want to do is “score points”, you may be well advised to stay out of it. That is, unless of course, you consider yourself the “board monitor” entitled to impose standards upon others. ”
You claim censorship of your posts on an open forum, then claim that it is a private affair and nobody else’s business?
” RLaitres
Posted June 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm PM This User Report this comment
AP, as I previously stated, the difference was between me and the Sentinel. It has nothing to do with either you or one.voice. And, that has been resolved to both our satisfaction, allowing for not only the possibility of my making an error but also potential technical problems. So, neither you nor one.voice is “due” or “entitled” to anything. That may come as a rude and shocking revelation to you, but is true nonetheless. ”
So?
What is it?
A private little spat you have with the staff at the Daily Sentinel, or a public sniffle and whine?
And why would you care where ‘one.voice’ works?
Would it be a bad thing if one of your philosophical opponents worked in a business that you feel should belong to ‘your’ side?
Maybe this was just another whine to deflect the focus to you in order to feed your ego?
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 9:06 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Laitres,
Yeah, what Willis just said. You made the allegation of censorship and you implied that the censorship was a result of an unsubstantiated allegation that one.voice was employed by the Daily Sentinel. Was there, in fact, censorship? And was it in fact as a result of one.voice’s influence on Sentinel staff, as you alleged. Whether or not one.voice is in a position to exercise such influence is germane to the issue. It is irresponsible to make unsubstantiated allegations that besmirch the good name of the Daily Sentinel or one.voice. You are now morally and intellectually obligated to prove you allegations or withdraw them and apologize to the subjects of your allegations. Anything less is de facto proof that you are morally and intellectually bankrupt. Your repeated efforts to tap dance around this responsibility are unacceptable, and should be viewed as part of a smear campaign. Step up to the plate, be a man, Publish or Perish.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sorry AP, you are sounding more and more like a very bad echo.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 9:45 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
No, bobbie, from Delta, it’s just two people with the same questions.
You made claims and accusations, and now that you are being questioned, you are running like a scared rabbit trying to hide from public scrutiny.
Why is that Bob?
Not man enough to stand behind your own words and accusations?
The Bombastic Buffoonery of your posts is incredible.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 10:04 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Johnson. You really should not try to intimidate or “bully” others. Neither you, nor AP, are are very good at it. With some, it may work, but not with this individual. Perhaps that offends you, and you are frustrated by it, but I am very much afraid that such is something you will have to deal with. Also, please do not try to comment upon things you do not, and do not want to understand. We realize that you are “all knowing” and on every subject under the sun, but some of us do not quite accept that infallibility that you believe you have.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
right back at ya little buddy.
Stop pretending your longwinded sermons are impressing anybody, and stop trying to belittle other posters on this board.
It’s decidedly ungentlemanly.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Laitres: “AP, be advised that the difference has been taken up with the staff of the Daily Sentinel, and we have cleared up any misunderstanding we may have had. Why you wish to get involved, only you can answer, both as to your interest and motivation.”
It is obviously none of his business. He and WLJ just can’t find anything substantial to attempt to discredit those of us who disagree with them on their antediluvian political stances so they hoot and holler about non-issues.
Posted June 11th, 2008 at 10:39 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Class of 52
The discredit that Mr. Laitres is presently enjoying is a direct result of his actions. That he is to be considered morally and intellectually bankrupt is a direct result of his inaction. He has been offered multiple opportunities to back up his claims or to apologize to those directly involved. I would pose your assertion right back to you. What business is it of yours? It would seem that you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing others of. Your defense of your bud’ while admirable lacks moral authority. But you know what they say about birds of a feather.
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