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Regarding the recent article in The Daily Sentinel regarding law enforcement confiscating a large number of guns from a Fruitvale resident: The Fully Informed Jury Association ran a similar article about an incident that took place in Colorado, titled, “A jury deceived, an innocent man sent to prison for six years.” The article was on pages 6, 7 and 8 Volume 20, Issue 1, Spring 2008.
The article stated that the U.S. Department of Justice has prosecuted thousands of Americans for mere possession of guns or ammunition after they had been previously convicted of a “crime[s] punisable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, in violatin of 18 U.S.C. S 922(g).
Access Fully Informed Jury Association, http://www.fija.org. The attorney pointed out that a provision as “an exception that allows gun possession despite a prior conviction for an antitrust or business regulatory crime.”
PAUL SMITH
Cedaredge
9 Responses to “Is it legal for felons to own guns?”
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Mr. Martin will probably need a “FULLY INFORMED JURY” that appears in secret, unbeknown to the sitting judge,because judges don’t much like the idea of Citizen OVERRIDES of bad law.
The jury is the final defense the Citizen has to bad law, and judges of late believe that it is their job to side with the legislative and excutive branches against the Citizens.
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Paul, the link you have for the Jury Association does not go to that site. Can you provide another one?
Thanks so much!!
Tammy
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Miss Tammy, I typed in FIJA.ORG and it took me right to the website.
http://fija.org/
I hope this helps you.
I really think there needs to be some way to get control of our government back from the crazies that control everything my family does every day.
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
The Colorado Constitution Article II, Section 11.
Section 11. Ex post facto laws. No ex post facto law, nor law impairing the obligation of contracts, or retrospective in its operation, or making any irrevocable grant of special privileges, franchises or immunities, shall be passed by the general assembly.
This tells me that if Mr. Martin paid his dent to society before the law was passed that said he couldn’t own guns is not constitutional.
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 6:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Thank you Alexander, it worked!! I agree with you, it’s time to get some GOOD Americans in office!
Posted July 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
howdytam,
“Thank you Alexander, it worked!! I agree with you, it’s time to get some GOOD Americans in office!”
Wait until the November elections and you may be rewarded!!
Posted July 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
As a followup from the Fully Informed Jury site.
” Liberty exists only among reasoning people who are tolerant of human diversity. Tyranny thrives on intolerance.
Reasoning jurors defend liberty when they refuse to convict fellow citizens who are maliciously accused of crimes.
Reasoning jurors stopped the Salem Witch Trials of 1692 and freed tax protesters during the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794.
Juries refused to convict under the Fugitive Slave Act in 1850, during Prohibition 1920-30, Vietnam Objectors 1960-1970, Tax Protesters, Medical Marijuana Users, and others.
The defense of our liberties is first at the ballot box, then the soap box, then the jury box, and finally, failing all else, the cartridge box.
The writers of the US Constitution understood that power always corrupts, and that the people must retain and understand the several processes to defend themselves from the greatest threat to liberty: one’s own government.
With more than 20,000 inferior gun laws contradicting the superior or prevailing law of the US Constitution’s Second Amendment, and an increasingly anti-gun, power craving institution of government prosecutors and judges, it is only a matter of time before you or friends are accused of a gun crime, unless gun owners fully understand and effect jury nullification for wrongful accusations of crime.
Corrupted, anti-gun prosecutors and judges are common.
Anyone can easily become a lawyer or judge. It is just a process. The US is overrun by them.
They are common people who hold no more intelligence or reasoning ability than any other common person, and often less because of their egos and insatiable craving for more power.
The duty and design of the citizen jury is to apply reasoning without title-induced ego and craving for power of office.
Lawyers and judges literally cannot understand that concept even if they read these words, which is why wise people instituted the citizen jury system with its authority over lawyers and judges.
The citizen understanding of jury nullification in the US has become critically important with the increasing gun confiscation laws supported by the Democrat/Republican Party, its politically appointed prosecutors, judges, and the United Nations leadership.
Repeated refusals by juries to convict effectively informs legislators and prosecutors that the law is NOT supported by the community.
Acquittals and hung juries are politically embarrassing to the powercraving prosecutors, legislatures, bureaucrats and most judges.
Do not underestimate the effect that acquittals have on the currently out-of-control law and regulation writing process.
One thinking person among each of only a few juries, who understands the value of individual liberty that cost so many lives to create, can regain gun owner rights in the US.”
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Now, the usual suspects are going to whine and cry, but facts are facts, and this is FACT.
Regardless of the law any Citizen is charged with, every Citizen should have a fully informed jury looking at the realities of the law as written, and the political reasons for the charge.
Does the law, as written, even apply to this person?
Is this law enforced equally across the board and applied equally to all Citizens?
Is this law designed to protect the Citizenry? Or is it a special interest law designed to punish one or more classes of Citizens to benefit other Citizens?
Is this law designed to protect the government, or the ’servants’ of the People from the People, to the detriment of the People?
The list goes on…
Posted July 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sometimes I read that peer reviewed documents are better than anything someone says in their own words. I think most people are not really good with words but are honest in their thoughts.
I found a article on the net, that makes a good point on the points made here.
It is here at this website.
http://www.harvardlawreview.org/issues/121/march08/barkow.pdf
It is 34 pages long, but it has lots of footnotes and stuff.
Posted July 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Alexander: The article you cited has as its main thrust the problems posed by administrative law: that is, the overarching mandated sentences for a particular crime imposed by legislative actions. The writer raises the possibility that these administrative laws are tying the hands of judges and juries to an unwarranted extent so that they no longer have the power to consider extenuating circumstances which might modify the sentence for a guilty person.
What is interesting, however, is that these administratively dictated sentences came about because of pressure from the political right wing conservatives in this country who complained longly and loudly to their congress people that “liberal” judges were soft on crime and letting prisoners off with sentences that were too light. This notion was particularly prominent among those who thought that we should be more rigid about sentencing those who possessed marijuana.
This stance has now come back to haunt the conservatives on such issues as gun control laws which was the subject of the letter here.
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