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		<title>By: bullishfrog</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14030</link>
		<dc:creator>bullishfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, tooaonuu, how do you measure progress in Iran? Because they are coming closer and closer to acquiring a nuclear weapon? And you blame Republicans for that? You care to explain?

And you blame Republicans for whatever improvement you see in Russia and Saudi Arabia? Is it the fault of Republicans that oil prices sky rocketted?

And you have a problem with the growth in China's economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, tooaonuu, how do you measure progress in Iran? Because they are coming closer and closer to acquiring a nuclear weapon? And you blame Republicans for that? You care to explain?</p>
<p>And you blame Republicans for whatever improvement you see in Russia and Saudi Arabia? Is it the fault of Republicans that oil prices sky rocketted?</p>
<p>And you have a problem with the growth in China&#8217;s economy?</p>
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		<title>By: toaaronuu</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator>toaaronuu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14028</guid>
		<description>To get back on topic, here are some questions to ask yourself (Answers conveniently supplied by David Brin): Which four nations are vastly better-off after eight years of Republican US leadership?

Iran
Saudi Arabia
Russia
China.

Which once-dominant world power has plummeted in power, strength, influence and by every conceivable measure?

The United States of America.


And the "maverick" has submitted meekly to his neo-con masters--the very same ones who have wrought destruction on every aspect of our once proud nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get back on topic, here are some questions to ask yourself (Answers conveniently supplied by David Brin): Which four nations are vastly better-off after eight years of Republican US leadership?</p>
<p>Iran<br />
Saudi Arabia<br />
Russia<br />
China.</p>
<p>Which once-dominant world power has plummeted in power, strength, influence and by every conceivable measure?</p>
<p>The United States of America.</p>
<p>And the &#8220;maverick&#8221; has submitted meekly to his neo-con masters&#8211;the very same ones who have wrought destruction on every aspect of our once proud nation.</p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14018</link>
		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14018</guid>
		<description>The terms of this proposed bailout are suspicious. The bailout is necessary,  but not on Treasury Secretary  Paulsons terms. There has to be pain, oversight, and accountability. None of which appear in the initial bailout draft proposal. In fact section 8 specifically eliminates accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terms of this proposed bailout are suspicious. The bailout is necessary,  but not on Treasury Secretary  Paulsons terms. There has to be pain, oversight, and accountability. None of which appear in the initial bailout draft proposal. In fact section 8 specifically eliminates accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: bullishfrog</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14017</link>
		<dc:creator>bullishfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14017</guid>
		<description>That's right.  Let the government stay out of it.  Let's see if we get another depression.  Small risk.  They shouldn't have bailed out the S&#38;Ls either in 1990.  Just let the economy collapse. Let the unemployment rate go up to 20%.  Good for apple sellers. Brother, can you spare a dime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right.  Let the government stay out of it.  Let&#8217;s see if we get another depression.  Small risk.  They shouldn&#8217;t have bailed out the S&amp;Ls either in 1990.  Just let the economy collapse. Let the unemployment rate go up to 20%.  Good for apple sellers. Brother, can you spare a dime?</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14016</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14016</guid>
		<description>check this from truthout.org

William Greider &#124; Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle
http://www.truthout.org/article/paulson-bailout-plan-a-historic-swindle
William Greider, The Nation: "Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses - many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check this from truthout.org</p>
<p>William Greider | Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle<br />
<a href="http://www.truthout.org/article/paulson-bailout-plan-a-historic-swindle" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthout.org/article/paulson-bailout-plan-a-historic-swindle</a><br />
William Greider, The Nation: &#8220;Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses - many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What&#8217;s not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14015</link>
		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14015</guid>
		<description>rm,

Our elected officials need to stop this freight train. I smell a rat the size of Henry Paulson. We are being set up. I say call their bluff and see if the financial industry will really shut down. They are trying to get this done before congress wises up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rm,</p>
<p>Our elected officials need to stop this freight train. I smell a rat the size of Henry Paulson. We are being set up. I say call their bluff and see if the financial industry will really shut down. They are trying to get this done before congress wises up.</p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14013</link>
		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14013</guid>
		<description>Changing the subject slightly. The bailout may be turning into a farce:

Wall Street is already looking to profit on the giveaway;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22lobby.html?hp

Foreign banks want to get in on the action;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22global.html?hp

And look at section 8 of the bailout draft proposal;

"Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

Shades of Patriot act, Iraq war?
Any comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing the subject slightly. The bailout may be turning into a farce:</p>
<p>Wall Street is already looking to profit on the giveaway;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22lobby.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22lobby.html?hp</a></p>
<p>Foreign banks want to get in on the action;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22global.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22global.html?hp</a></p>
<p>And look at section 8 of the bailout draft proposal;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sec. 8. Review.<br />
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shades of Patriot act, Iraq war?<br />
Any comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Classof52</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14012</link>
		<dc:creator>Classof52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14012</guid>
		<description>Sullivan:
"I have a hard time reconciling this statement with an earlier one that called a military pension “cushy” when it went to a veteran that had received a 100% disability from being wounded in combat."

I have not the foggiest notion of what point you are trying to make here, not do I remember the earlier statement or its context.  It must have been months ago.  Do you keep a file of my comments on your hard disc to dredge up when you want to be argumentative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan:<br />
&#8220;I have a hard time reconciling this statement with an earlier one that called a military pension “cushy” when it went to a veteran that had received a 100% disability from being wounded in combat.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have not the foggiest notion of what point you are trying to make here, not do I remember the earlier statement or its context.  It must have been months ago.  Do you keep a file of my comments on your hard disc to dredge up when you want to be argumentative?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14011</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14011</guid>
		<description>C52 

"I realize that this comment was directed toward an age group and not directed at me personally."  In all honesty it was a little bit of both.

"I could easily forego any social security income and not even be aware of the difference because of a lifetime of investment decisions made on my own."  I have a hard time reconciling this statement with an earlier one that called a military pension "cushy" when it went to a veteran that had received a 100% disability from being wounded in combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C52 </p>
<p>&#8220;I realize that this comment was directed toward an age group and not directed at me personally.&#8221;  In all honesty it was a little bit of both.</p>
<p>&#8220;I could easily forego any social security income and not even be aware of the difference because of a lifetime of investment decisions made on my own.&#8221;  I have a hard time reconciling this statement with an earlier one that called a military pension &#8220;cushy&#8221; when it went to a veteran that had received a 100% disability from being wounded in combat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14010</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/09/18/mccain-will-bring-real-reform/#comment-14010</guid>
		<description>I don't know. I have had portfolios with Mass Mutual and Oppenheimer and thought they were very good.

But my discomfort with the U.S. government making and managing the arrangements remains. I would have to see an actual proposal and know who would be pulling the strings before even thinking about being OK with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I have had portfolios with Mass Mutual and Oppenheimer and thought they were very good.</p>
<p>But my discomfort with the U.S. government making and managing the arrangements remains. I would have to see an actual proposal and know who would be pulling the strings before even thinking about being OK with anything.</p>
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