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I have a solution for the owners of small businesses who find it necessary
reduce personnel due to stifling regulation and confiscatory taxes coming with
the Beach Ball, er Obama administration. If they are having trouble deciding
which employees to lay off, take a walk through their parking lot. They will
undoubtedly find some vehicles with Obama stickers on them.
Well, they wanted change didn’t they? They should be the ones to get the
change they want by being the first (and hopefully only) ones laid off.
NEWT BURKHALTER
Grand Junction
79 Responses to “Obama supporters should be the first to be laid off”
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 5:40 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hey Newt, not a little bitter, eh?
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 5:41 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Change to believe in!
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Er, Newt - as far as I can tell, things have headed fairly rapidly down the crapper on Little Boy George’s watch over the past 8 years. I’m almost certain that Obama is not in office quite yet.
Republicans = The Party That Wrecked America!!
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:12 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Republicans = The Party That Saved America!
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:16 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
johnebme,
Lie down, drink some water, be still, and maybe your fever will subside.
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
dc—don’t you have an anti american meeting to go to?
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:29 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Is it even legal to fire someone just because of their personal politics?
I don’t know but it sure is slimy from an ethical standpoint.
Like firing someone for their religion, age, etc.
Is this what it means to be a Republican now?
That is pathetic.
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:39 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I liked the old secular Main street Republican party but now it’s gone. Now we have a nutty colection of God bothering morons with a fetus fetish who lay awake at night worried about other people’s bedroom habits.
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
OMG cs1960 — I just spat out my beer. That was great!
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 6:47 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
cs1960,
Those would be the “old-fashioned family values”, right?
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Get a load of the new Republican mouthpiece, Bible Spice, yammering glad tidings for Thanksgiving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kjM1asH-8
Oblivious? YOU BETCHA!!
Posted November 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
“dc—don’t you have an anti american meeting to go to?”
No. The Republican Party isn’t meeting tonight.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
How about the western colorado commies???
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
No, that is on Friday morning. And the “Lower Valley Muslim Extremists’ America Haters Club” meeting isn’t until next week. It will feature “Ahmed and Ali, the Baghdad Bombers” doing a little number called “How you gonna keep up down on the Wadi, after they’ve seen Tehran”. You really shouldn’t miss it.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
oops, that should read; keep “em” down on the Wadi
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Let’s wait and see if Mr Obama can produce a verifiable certificate of live birth in the United States before we say he is qualified for the US Presidency.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
I think it may be a little too late, Bart. He will become President Obama, no matter how distasteful you find that prospect.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow, I thought the most extreme of the desperate lies would at least go away after the election. No such luck it appears.
OK y’all get ready for the mandatory turban/burkha distribution. Delivery will take place January 21 but you don’t have to pay for the garments until tax day. Don’t bother to lock your doors, they shall be broken down.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ash says: “I thought the most extreme of the desperate lies would at least go away after the election.”
We have to remember what such individuals are “thinking” with; i.e. what type of so-called “information” and what is its origin.
Most of them constantly have their ear “locked onto” what has been called “right wing” talk radio or television, where all information is pre-digested (pre-interpreteed), and everything “bad” that happens, HAS TO BE the fault of someone else. To the true “disciples” of this propaganda, even asking them to consider that their “idol” could be wrong, is not only anathema, but sacrilege.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Most of these guys get their info from Mr. Limbaughs’ EIB network. I believe that stands for the “Everything is Bullsh*t” network.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Soooo…
If a majority of the Amercian population voted for the winning candidate (not to metion the Electoral axx-whooping the honorable Mr. McCain recieved), does that mean that the majority of the population are anti-American?
We won. You lost. Fair and square. And the Supreme Court didn’t even have to award it to anyone. Deal with it, like we did for the last eight years.
There’s a Democratic President, and a solid Democratic Majority in the Senate. I guess I’d whine a little, too, if I’d lost so badly. You guys are screwed. Only a lot less people are going to die, so I can understand how that would be threatening.
You don’t like it? Move to Alaska, where they love your kind of ‘real Americans’. Oh, wait…the Republican lost up there, too…
I hope the deep, deep, deep South isn’t too humid for you.
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 3:32 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
good everlovin lord, people…the election’s over, the bammer won it fair and square, and ALL of you, from BOTH sides are acting like a bunch of elementary aged bullies…the term isn’t “obama will be the next pres”…it’s “obama IS the next pres”…hell, i didn’t vote for the guy, but even i can see that….as for myself, i’m going to do what i did the first time ol slick willie took the election…i’m gonna support the office, complain when i feel he’s screwed up, and breath a sigh of relief if he does better than i expect…and curmie, i doubt anything’s going to drasticaly (sic) change regardless of who holds power…both parties suck, imho…i look forward to a day when i can actually vote to put a person in office instead of keeping one out, tho i doubt it happens in my lifetime
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sen. McCain was gracious in defeat.
Sen. Obama was gracious in victory. He also made statements to the effect of reaching across the political divide and encouraged his supporters to do the same. Was that an honest request or just a statement that the victor is required to make and that carries no weight?
Posted November 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sullivan: “Was that an honest request or just a statement that the victor is required to make and that carries no weight?”
He has already demonstrated his actions on that score by his meeting with McCain to ask for advice and his offering the Sec. of State job to Sen Clinton
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
hitekredneck…finally someone with a realistic outlook.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hitek,
As evidenced by the bitterness of Newts’ letter, the emotion attached to this election is still bubbling over. For my part, I am enjoying the opportunity to participate in a little good-natured ribbing of some of the more vitriolic Obama-haters. Without the opportunity to vent on sites like this, some of our more rabid political junkies might succumb to fist fights in bars.
Eight years is a long time for progressives to chafe under the domination of a political paradigm that has punished our economy, our constitution, our education and health care systems, and our environment like no other I can remember. For liberals like me, this is sweet.
Of course, our delight is tempered by the realization that, on a local level, we will still be subjected to the embarrassment of being represented by regressive officials we consider to be less than top-notch. So, chill out and allow us to gloat a bit without starting World War III over it. Most people will settle down after awhile but the “indignant wing nut” contingent will never relent. This is a good place for the brawl to take place. After all, no one really gets hurt in this arena.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Every one of you commenting here makes me laugh. The Obama supporters mainly voted out of pure hatred for Bush. Congratulations, Obama will be caught up in the same political mess as Bush and will not be able to fulfill all of his wild promises. Those who voted for him will reap what you have sewn. In the larger picture, all of you are doing nothing more than whining. I am neither democrat nor a republican; I am an educated citizen however, like all of you should be. Stop looking to our politicians to save us. Look how greedy they have become and screwed our country financially. You pay their salary, question them and question them hard. You are quibbling over circumstances none of you can control by whining. There was recently an article about an American civics quiz (http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx) with thirty-three questions about our history as nation. On average politicians scored 44% while the citizens scored 49%. Want to know why our country is in the toilet? Look in the mirror. To those of you who take the quiz and whined here, maybe this will wake you up when you see your own score. Good luck!
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hmmm … I wonder if publiusco meant to say “rip” what we have sewn? I am so confused, ha ha.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hmm. I scored 88% and I voted Democrat. Not too bad.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Scott congratulation I scored a 98% and I have no party affiliation.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Now how about a basic grammar / vocabulary test?
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Nice work, Scott, I scored only 80%. So, publiusco, you will be running for President in 2012, I presume?
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:12 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ash you are correct, I needed to add and “s” on the end of congratulations. I will try to work on my grammar and you as well since your comment was a sentence fragment. You proved my point even further since you appear to be here only to whine and do nothing constructive. You probably spend hours here just waiting for the opportunity to belittle someone. If you are going to dish it out make sure have a good response with no grammatical errors yourself. You could possibly be upset because you took that test and didn’t fair so well?
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dc, who in their right mind would want the job? If you start a campaign for me I would gladly give it a try ha ha! It would never work, we can’t be slimy enough to lie to people and raise enough money.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I am sensing a serious case of elitism from our new friend. For the record, my good sir, you have no knowledge of the activities of the posters on this site. I know several of them personally, and I can tell you that many are quite active in our community, giving countless hours of their time and their money to worthwhile causes and to the betterment of the community in many ways.
You think very highly of yourself, Nicht Wahr?
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dc thank you very much for allowing me to be your new friend. Trust me dc I do something for the “betterment” of our community. You have to hate it when some outsider decides to join your little group and shake things up. I hope I won’t be shunned or excluded too much. Nonetheless I will continue to exercise my first amendment right regardless, or until that individual right is taken away as some point. Without going in to too much detail, I am active in several, very positive community activities. I also work in a very respectable position in the community that you would probably want no part of let alone not being able to do the task. Nicht Wahr, German for “isn’t it so”. No need to impress anyone here, you obviously think pretty highly of yourself with your extensive vocabulary.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Self esteem is a positive characteristic that can be very attractive. Arrogance is a characteristic that is not attractive under any circumstances. Your comments on this site will allow all who visit here to make that distinction about each of us. Whether you will be shunned or not is a function of your own input. I welcome your participation in this discourse.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
In reviewing my last comment, I realize I have erred. Your comments will only enlighten readers about you.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dc, arrogance and elitism are the two things I despise the most. Your sense of me is off target and could not be further from the truth. Don’t make assumptions as you said about the facts of who or what I am. I am neither arrogant nor elite, I am fiercely independent which has obviously challenged you and has your dander up for some reason. Arrogance and elitism are the type of attitudes that has placed our country in such a mess to begin with. I would rather be part of the positive solution than part of the problem. You make assumptions that that will somehow justify you trying to fit me into one of your categories. Sorry to inform you life does not work that way. I am outside your circle of influence. Thus far the only one I see that has an issue with me here is you. Thank you for allowing me partake of the discourse here and I hope I further meet your expectations and approval. I did not realize this forum was a popularity contest like this last election.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
A couple more things:
“You proved my point even further since you appear to be here only to whine and do nothing constructive. You probably spend hours here just waiting for the opportunity to belittle someone.”
You assume a great deal based on comments in a blog. Are you not belittling Ash with this unwarranted comment?
“I also work in a very respectable position in the community that you would probably want no part of let alone not being able to do the task.”
What information leads you to believe that I would not be able to do the task you mention? You must be very special, indeed.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
You are imputing motives to people that may not exist. Then you are making political predictions as though they are certainties. An auspicious way of introducing yourself that seems contrived to attract attention. No fear of being shunned, I think most of us here welcome a fresh breath of hot air. We need new blood to agree/disagree with.
As far as your job, you said;
” I also work in a very respectable position in the community that you would probably want no part of let alone not being able to do the task “.
Coroner?
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dc,
I am not special by any means that thought never even crossed my mind until you just brought it up. I just enjoy the opportunity to serve my community in a positive way and seek no recognition. If that is your definition of special, I will take that as a compliment. Thank you.
Rm, that would be a profession I am in and not a “job”. I take pride in what I do. No I am not a coroner and even if I were you know as much about my profession as I am going to disclose to you so you might as well give up.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
1. My “dander” is not up. Your input, so far, has been amusing, nothing else. Your comments are the only information we, the participants in this post, have with which to ascertain anything about you. I would recommend you re-read your initial posts and look there for the basis of any hostility you may sense.
2. This is a free website and anyone who wishes may use it. I cannot “allow” you to do anything, nor would I want to be in that position.
3. When you walk into a room and start insulting people, don’t be surprised if people react in a way that you do not like.
4. I have no quarrel with you. I don’t know you, and from your initial postings here, I get the sense that I might not care to make your aquaintance.
5. This is not a popularity contest. It is a blog. I have no interest in judging, catagorizing, psychoanalyzing, or even learning anything about you. I react to what you write. End of story.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco, would your profession be Daily Sentinel headline writer by chance?
No, I did not fair as well as you on the Civics test, but I faired OK (82 percent)
Oh alright, I will stop now. This is too easy.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
I am not sure what the message of your original message was, but I think it was about taking some personal responsibility for the state of our civilization. If that is the case I agree. Not only in becoming knowledgeable about our government and politicians but in taking direct actions. We can as individuals strive to consume less fossil fuels. We can consume local produce and other products when at all possible. The handwriting is on the wall, we in the near future, will have to modify our lifestyles. So lets preempt the government and politicians and start making changes now. Any suggestions publiusco?
rm, 79.78 Percent and proud of it
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Dc,
Again it appears the only one I insulted here is you. You and rm seem to be the only two that want to respond to me to keep trying to prove some kind of point. Why even react to what I write, if you do you are allowing me to control you somehow. In number 5 of your outline, I would like to believe what you say, but as you just told me go back and re-read what you posted about me “I am sensing a serious case of elitism from our new friend.” You sure want to make everyone aware of your who you are as well. So if you have no interest in me why did you make this statement? It appears by your responses that anyone who says anything to the contrary of your positions, we are all being judged, categorized, psychoanalyzed by you. At least my comments here have woken you up. So it seems your comments are also amusing and nothing else. People can react to my comments as they wish, if nothing else hopefully it will cause some to become better informed and better educated. Whether I am liked or not in this case is of no concern to me, at least I caused some one to think of another point of view. If I offended anyone here by putting up a challenge on the quiz or by anything I have said, get over it and if the shoe fits wear it. It is time to take off your rose-colored glasses and look around. Last but not least, are you afraid to make my acquaintance and look me in the eye when you shake my hand? If you afraid to face me or the issues I raise to you, then how are any of us on this forum to take stock in what you say? This nation was born out of opposing points of view and disagreement. Nonetheless we are all Americans and we all get along in the end regardless of differing points of view.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Rm,
I totally agree with you 100%. We cannot rely on the government to get this done. It will need to start at a grass roots level where people have still the choice to make positive things happen. I hope we end up doing this proactively and not reactively, as we always seem to do. It seems we always wait for the crises to happen when we could have prevented it in the first place. I for one will not look to our ever-expanding federal government for the answers or let them try to somehow “rescue” me from myself. If our government were a business all of the CEO’s would be fired. As voters we do have the right to “fire” them on a regular basis as well they should be for the current crises they created. Rm the problem is you and I as well as some others here I am sure strive to become educated and informed about the issues and not drink all the Kool-Aid.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
P.S. to publiusco, I apologize for poking a bit of (what I thought was gentle) fun at a couple of vocabulary slips in your posts.
It is no excuse, but you came into this thread with IMO somewhat of a combative and superior tone; that is probably why I found the “reap what you have sewn” in your initial rant to be rather amusing.
I have nothing against typos, dropped letters, or (my personal sin, obviously) sentence fragments. However I do enjoy a bit of wordplay and your mixing of homonyms (words that sound alike but have different meanings; “sewn” instead of “sown” and “faired” instead of “fared”) unfortunately was a bit too much for me to resist.
I do apologize.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ash no offense taken, I deserve any grief I get for my grammar thanks for keeping me in check!
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Thank you for “excepting” my apology!
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ash I do like your play on words, it adds an interesting perspective on the whole situation. I hope I didn’t offend anyone too bad when I jumped into this blog. I know I was kind of harsh to begin with. When I did it I wanted to get every ones attention, so far so good. If my spark starts a raging fire to get people to pay attention and be better informed then my posts achieved what was hoped for. Maybe the ends will justify the means. Good day to you.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
Of course, our countries immediate economic crisis will not be solved by me sending my Hummer to the crusher and buying a Toyota Prius. We will have to rely on President Obama and his economic team to turn things around. As you probably realize the main component of that turnaround will be restoring confidence. I think we are starved for leadership in this country as evidenced by the Stock Market rising 494 points in a few minutes on Friday with the rumor of Obama’s secretary of treasury nomination.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Rm,
I hope you are right. It will take a lot of convincing for me to believe in anyone’s leadership at this point democrat or republican. I started to have a glimmer of hope until I found out our president elect is appointing Robert Rubin as his chief financial advisor. Rubin was associated to Citicorp and advised that institution to invest in the bad mortgages that now are costing us in the long run. Citicorp is one of the banks that failed and failed miserably and now we as taxpayers are picking up the cost in the bailout thanks to the insight of Mr. Rubin.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
According to my research Rubin is not in line for one of the six key economic policy posts. If I were president, I might ask him to be on my council of economic advisers to get a baseline for the wrong advice.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco, i found your first post rather refreshing, as it states what i’ve been ranting over the last few months, only with better english and punctuation…i do hope you’re incorrect about rubin, but as rm states, mebbe he’ld be a good guideline of advice to ignore?…btw, 94 n change on the test…not too bad for an ignorant redneck
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 6:48 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
“Every one of you commenting here makes me laugh. The Obama supporters mainly voted out of pure hatred for Bush. Congratulations, Obama will be caught up in the same political mess as Bush and will not be able to fulfill all of his wild promises. Those who voted for him will reap what you have sewn. In the larger picture, all of you are doing nothing more than whining.”….”Want to know why our country is in the toilet? Look in the mirror.”
You may recognize the above quotes. A very friendly way to begin a discussion.
“Last but not least, are you afraid to make my acquaintance and look me in the eye when you shake my hand? If you afraid to face me or the issues I raise to you, then how are any of us on this forum to take stock in what you say?”
Trust me. I am not afraid of you unless you are a 700 lb. Grizzly bear. I attend the Friday meetings at Main Street Bagels regularly. This coming week I will be out of town but in ensuing weeks I will be happy to meet you and shake your hand, if that is your wish. You may ask the other posters here that know me if they think I am afraid to face “your issues”.
“You sure want to make everyone aware of your who you are as well. So if you have no interest in me why did you make this statement?”
Actually, most regular posters here know who I am. Unlike you, I have never hidden my identity. I have used my real name here numerous times. I have no need to make anyone “aware” of me.
“At least my comments here have woken you up.”
I wasn’t sleeping.
By the way; “I totally agree with you 100%.”, is redundant.
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
For shame, you have exposed yourself for what you are:
” For the rest of my fellow citizens I have posted an interesting link below for everyone that stresses some of what I said. Again let me put the disclaimer on this, I don’t care if this was done as a result of republican or democrat being elected president. It proves the ignorance of our country being sheep, following and listening to the liberal media and not getting the facts. The youtube video on the website makes me laugh but it also makes me want to hang my head in shame.
http://howobamagotelected.com/ “
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 3:17 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
dc,
I just went back through and re-read everything you have posted here from the beginning. How very typical for liberals like you. I just read again how you attacked Newt right off the cuff when he wrote this letter sparing him no empathy whatsoever. You then have the audacity to say this, it’s almost comical if not tragic “You may recognize the above quotes. A very friendly way to begin a discussion.” I then come into your little blog kingdom here and do the same to you as you so perceive. You are a pathetic hypocrite. It sure is okay for you to attack others but when the tables turn and someone does the same to you as you perceive, you try to shut them down by belittling anyone who disagrees with you. Dc it’s not very hard for one to see how hypocritical you are because you wrote this “5. This is not a popularity contest. It is a blog. I have no interest in judging, catagorizing (spelling dc, that would be categorizing), psychoanalyzing, or even learning anything about you. I react to what you write. End of story.” How are we to believe you don’t do any of these things when your own words fly in direct conflict with that statement. It’s not hard to keep finding examples because you wrote this about Newt before that comment, “Lie down, drink some water, be still, and maybe your fever will subside.” and “Most of these guys get their info from Mr. Limbaughs’ EIB network. I believe that stands for the “Everything is Bullsh*t” network.” Or how about this one “Most people will settle down after awhile but the “indignant wing nut” contingent will never relent.” Pretty pathetic huh? I guess according you “it depends on what your definition of is is.” Yes you are right as you would put it “Your comments will only enlighten readers about you.”
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 7:42 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
rm,
All of this strikes me as familiar. I think we are so lucky to have such a brilliant psychoanalyst enlightening us about who we are and how feeble-minded we have become. Now that publiusco is here to enlighten us, our salvation is at hand.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 8:19 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
“I just read again how you attacked Newt right off the cuff when he wrote this letter..”
To which post are you referring? I do not see a post in whch I have addressed Newt Burkhalter.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ullr,
I believe you are correct. Pretty familiar rhetoric, eh?
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 9:20 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
ok..;.as an observing bystander, i’ld like to say a few things…first, publiusco, dc never really attacked the original author of the letter as far as i could tell…he attacked you instead, by accusing you of eliteism…while i rarely agree with dc’s stances and ideals, you need to be fair in your accusations…as for dc coming after me for my spelling and punctuation?…hell, i’m a lazy redneck as everybody on this forum knows by now, and i happen to be elipses-crazy, nor do i particularly care what anybody on this forum thinks of me or my ideals…i only hope to spread some common sense values to somebody that’s truly ammenable to new ideas, and hoping to make people realize that life isn’t about democrat, republican, conservative, liberal, or left or right…
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 9:37 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hitek,
Thank you for that post. While you and I seldom agree on policy and issues, I have always respected the manner in which you approach the discussion. I hope I have always been respectful, within the framework of occasionally having a little fun. If I have been abusive, please accept my apology.
It is clear to me that publiusco has been stalking the site. If he is upfront, he will tell you how I know this. I suspect he is a “ghost of stalkers past”, so to speak.
In any event, I look forward to engaging you and all the others in the future. This group of folks has taken on an important role in my life and I find much enjoyment from the discourse. There are numerous posters here that disagree with my point of view and I am always happy to engage them. However, as you know, I will give what I get and always challenge what I think is wrong. I mean, isn’t that why we are here?
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 9:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
dc, i’ve never found you rude to me, tho i’ve seen you get a lil uptight with others…lol…the exchange of ideas is always a good thing, provided nothing is taken out of context…as for me, i get to where i despise attacks and vitriol from ANY side of the political spectrum, as i’m sure you’ve noticed…guess i’m getting mellow in my old age
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 9:57 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
That is not such a bad thing, hitek. I will try to emulate your mellowness. But, I won’t try TOO hard.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hmm, some deleted posts … OK … nothing deleted was worth much anyway (and lots of what was NOT deleted isn’t worth anything either.
This thread started with a letter calling on business to fire people because of how they voted (and since we have the right to privacy the business owners are free to make thee educated guess about how their employees voted, and then fire them accordingly).
Either one agrees with that idea or not. I find it despicable.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:25 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Democrats became the Senate majority in the summer of 2001 Ash and they have held that ever since. In June 2001, Republican Senator James Jeffords quit the Republican Party, swinging control of the Senate back to the Democrats and re-creating a divided government. Ash and I am man enough to admidt and I stand corrected, the republicans did hold a slim majority in the house up until 2007.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Ash I agree with you, firing someone based on how they voted is despicable. The only point I was ever trying to convey here was why digress and start attacking people for what the believe in like some have done here on both sides. To me that goes about as low as wanting to fire someone based on how they voted.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:40 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
107th Congress (2001-2003) the Democrats were called the “majority” party though there were many convoluted switches during that period (Gore, Lieberman, etc;) in history it goes down as 50/50.
In both the 108th Congress (2003-2005) and 109th Congress (2005-2007) the Republicans held a solid majority in the Senate.
The 2006 election gave the Democrats a tiny “lead” in the Senate and gave the Democrats a majority in the House for the first time since 1995; though neither of these slight leads have been enough for the “majority” party to affect any meaningful change in the face of extreme partisanship on the Republican side of the aisle.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
So. let me get this right, Ash, the reason the Congress has been deadlocked is because of “extreme partisanship on the Republican side of the aisle? Meaning, that Democrats wanted to play nice but those Republican bullies would not play along?
Ash, you have a future as a comedian.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco, thanks for admitting you were “in error” about Congressional party divisions.
From my observation the lie that “The Democrats were in charge of Congress” during the G.W. Bush years is generally something the far right likes to repeat in hopes that enough people will just believe it instead of bothering to remember or look it up.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
bullish, Congressional Republicans did tend to vote straight down party lines during the G.W. Bush years more than during any other presidential administration. According to some analysts this was a result of some behind the scenes bullying and the administration’s overall theme of “either you are with us or against us.”
Believe me, I am not trying to be funny; in fact I do not find any of this funny at all.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Not funny Ash, but to suggest that Democrats are any less partisan than Republicans is nonsense.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
That is the way I see it though, bullish. Think of all the Democrats who turned belly up for Bush on Iraq, wiretapping, torture, the Medicare drug plan over the years. I would say the Democrats (not all but the party as a whole) have acted like sheep more than partisans over the past several years.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 6:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
publiusco,
I am genuinely interested in what you mean by this. “start attacking people for what the(y) believe in like some have done here on both sides.” What constitutes an attack? How is it different from a challenge? What words or phrases signal that animosity to you? Does it have anything to do with your stated evaluation of how “liberals” think?
I am not being agressive, I am honestly curious.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
p.s. If you would like to discuss this on a forum, that might be a good idea.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
In one of his first posts, publiusco bragged:
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30. publiusco
Posted November 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Scott congratulation I scored a 98% and I have no party affiliation.
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Very interesting, but I suspect grade inflation. Given that there are 33 questions on the “quiz,” it would be very difficult for anyone to obtain a score between 97 and 100%.
[Anagram alert: publiusco = pubic soul! Significant? I report, you decide.]
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
A quick wiki of Publius may provide insight. Roman figure. Man of the people.
Posted November 24th, 2008 at 11:53 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
dc,
I derived the name from the Federalist Papers when I read them. In regard to the attack vs. challenge, this is something I feel is subjective based on perception. I guess it is a hard one to answer but I will do my best to explain. Newt regardless of what he said had a right to say it and anyone can disagree with him or others here without attacking. If Newt gets negative maybe the first step would be to constructively get him to see another point of view. Then if he fires back with further attacks I think it’s time to say sorry you feel that way, good luck.
Having said that I perceived some of your statements as an attack on others, including me but no necessarily Newt, but a few trying to defend him a little. So in defense of others sometimes I feel the need to dish it back. One that seemed to get my hackles up in a hurry was this one “Most people will settle down after awhile but the “indignant wing nut” contingent will never relent.” Some of those may relent if you give them a chance. When you fire a shot like that across the bow expect to be fired upon in return. Like I said I am not affiliated to either party. If someone flat out attacks you for no reason I would defend you. You stated you were not “judging, catagorizing or psychoanalyzing” anyone on here. But you did that right away with me with a few assumptions that were totally false such as “I am sensing a serious case of elitism from our new friend.” I tried to explain to you that I was neither arrogant nor elite by any means. But you would not let it go so unfortunately I decided to join in on the assumptions and attacks just to prove it can go both ways and it is so easy to do. Every person has a right to an opinion without personal attacks, which is one of our basic rights. When we attack each other nothing gets solved. I hope this answers your question.
Bruce86 I am sorry my eyes are not what they used to be when I glanced at the screen I thought it said 98 but when I checked my math it was 96%. I missed question number 13, lucky 13. Guess it is time to get that prescription my reading glasses changed.
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