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The government either wants to tax or control the following: education, environment, banks,
credit cards, car companies, health care, soda, cigarettes, beer, pop,
marriage, prayer, guns, ammunition, unwanted babies, unwanted pregnancies, cow
emissions, car emissions, public lands, oil and gas production, farms.
It seeks to take property to build roads, etc., impose a death tax, overturn states’ rights,
place a tax on everything we use or eat, determe whether we are a Christian nation or not, allow one-world military, one-world religion, one-world monetary system.
All I have left is chocolate. Oh no, there’s sugar in that.
And they hate Bush?
Lavonne Wilson
Grand Junction
15 Responses to “Tax-and-control government”
Posted May 28th, 2009 at 8:35 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
And the point is….?
Posted May 29th, 2009 at 4:46 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
the point is…that we are living in a socialistic nation and we can’t break wind without the government wanting to put a tax on it.
Posted May 29th, 2009 at 6:14 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
“a socialistic nation”, you say? Do you have even a tiny clue what that means?
I wasn’t there, but I remember stories of how people in this country were sent to “the Poor House”, before SOCIAL security offered the hope of independence and dignity to working people when their working days were over.
Let me ask you this, oh festered one. Is there a useful purpose for government, and what would that be? Now is your chance to tell us how it should work. What is your preferred alternative to this “socialist nation” you seem to loath? What should it do for the American people and how should we pay for it? What would you do for the millions of unemployed, the homeless, the sick?
Tell us how to change our country from a “socialistic nation” to your vision of what this nation should be.
Posted May 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
duke -
You mentioned Social Security. Unfortunately it is going broke and will no longer be able to “offer the hope of independence and dignity to working people when their working days were over”. How would you propose the government fix it?
Posted May 29th, 2009 at 2:58 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
this is the current situation we have arrived at in this country. half the people want the nanny state & half the people still want to prosper based on their own hard work. i will say that the last administration tried to implement personal accounts instead of our current soc. sec. system only to be lambasted by the other party. hard choices have to be made on several issues & going into debt further as a nation isn’t helping.
Posted May 30th, 2009 at 2:27 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
hey duke,
here is the most common definition of socialism i could find:
Socialism is mainly a belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended in production, although how to acheive this end they cannot agree upon.
Now, I believe that my hard work should not be taxed so thay those who do not want to work get the redistribution of my taxex, I do not believe that my taxes should go to pay for the unemployed who are to proud to go out and work at a job that pays less then they were making. I worked in the telecom industry when it collapsed and had to take a substaintial pay cut; but I went out and found work, even if it meant working 2 jobs. I do not believe that my taxes should be used to pay for the medical expenses of those who do not want to pay for their own insurance or for those in this country illegally; I have to buy my own insurance and I found many affordable plans out there, all one has to do is look; and maybe give up a few of those luxuries they have, such as cable tv, cell phones, that new car, that second home and all those toys. Yes, times are tight, but the major reason is that our curent government for the past several administartions have allowed US jobs to be shipped overseas, oe they have signed treaties/pacts with other countries that allow them to destroy the inndustries in this country by selling their products to us at a greatly reduced cost. Our government keeps selling our debt to countries that recently have decided not buy it any more and to start selling the US debt they now have to our sworn enemies…venzeuela, saudi arabia, iran just to name a few.
Posted May 30th, 2009 at 9:46 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Festered, I agree with the first part of your post. But not with these parts:
“Yes, times are tight, but the major reason is that our curent government for the past several administartions have allowed US jobs to be shipped overseas, oe they have signed treaties/pacts with other countries that allow them to destroy the inndustries in this country by selling their products to us at a greatly reduced cost.”
The major reason that jobs have been shipped overseas is because in a global economy those who can manufactire the same product at the lowest price will get the sale. Many of our heavy industries priced themselves out of business due, to a great degree, to rising union wages. GM can make a profit on cars they manufactur overseas but they cannot make a profit if they manufacture that same car in the US. That is just one example. And there are two sides to this story. While overpriced jobs are lost here, consumers here get to buy cheaper products and that allows them to have a higher standard of living.
“Our government keeps selling our debt to countries that recently have decided not buy it any more and to start selling the US debt they now have to our sworn enemies…venzeuela, saudi arabia, iran just to name a few.”
That is incorrect. No country has stopped buying our debt including China which is our biggest foreign lender.
Posted May 30th, 2009 at 7:20 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
bullishfrog,
china is still be buying our debt; however they are also unloading much of the usa debt they own to countries such as venzuela, saudia arabia, iran and others; you need to start reading what is happening in other countries from their news outlets and not just usa news outlets.
when bill clinton signed the nafta treaty he helped close all the usa textile mills in the carolinas.
if GM cannot sell cars produced here because of government enforced union wages then why is the obama administration bailing them out? is it to keep the unions happy. GM has stated that in 2010 30% of the cars they will sell will be imported from China and by 2012 60%, so once again why is the u.s. taxpayer bailing them out? how is the average american going to keep his lifestyle if there are no jobs?
the major reason that american jobs are shipped overseas is because the executive members of companies are extremely greedy and want those golden parachute retirement plans and the hell with the amreican worker.
Posted May 31st, 2009 at 7:34 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Fesered:
“china is still be buying our debt; however they are also unloading much of the usa debt they own to countries such as venzuela, saudia arabia, iran and others; you need to start reading what is happening in other countries from their news outlets and not just usa news outlets.”
I don’t buy this. There is a huge open market for US debt and anyone who wants to unload their holdings can do so without difficulty. If someone was to “unload” their holdings. meaning that they would sell them at a discount, it would make no sense to then go back and buy more at full price.
Show me a reliable source that backs up your claim.
“when bill clinton signed the nafta treaty he helped close all the usa textile mills in the carolinas.”
Free global trade is good for everyone except those unable to compete. If I can buy textile products. of equal quality, at a cheaper price, from Mexico, that’s where I want to buy it.
“if GM cannot sell cars produced here because of government enforced union wages then why is the obama administration bailing them out? is it to keep the unions happy.”
YES.
“GM has stated that in 2010 30% of the cars they will sell will be imported from China and by 2012 60%, so once again why is the u.s. taxpayer bailing them out?”
Because the unions and the government are in cahoots.
“how is the average american going to keep his lifestyle if there are no jobs?”
The average American has to become more educated so that his skills command a high enough wage to keep his lifestyle. You do not pay an American $20 and hour to do the same job that someone in Mexico will do for $5 an hour.
“the major reason that american jobs are shipped overseas is because the executive members of companies are extremely greedy and want those golden parachute retirement plans and the hell with the amreican worker.”
Nonsense. A company must make a profit to stay in business. If it coasts company A $20,000 to make a car and company B $18,000 to make the same car, company A goes out of business. Toyota is not going bankrupt. Chrysler and GM are. All three operate in the US. Why is that?
Posted May 31st, 2009 at 7:41 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
hey bullshifrog
having spent the past couple of months in China my source is CCTV, which is one of the television networks in China, they have stations in Chinese, English and several other European languages.
so you would rather buy a cheap throw away product from mexico then one made in the USA… I guess then you and all your fellow buyers are the reason that Americans are unemployed and the American industries are falling. also all of these throw away products are filling up our landfills faster then new ones can be created and causing an excessive amount of waste in this country.
Posted June 1st, 2009 at 4:58 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
The one thing all of you “teabaggers” need to remeber is that your big protest against taxation took place in Lincoln Park, a place built and maintained with TAX DOLLARS!
Posted June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
well now, more name calling, hmmmmmmmmm sounds like a liberal fastfreddie is of the liberal persuasion
Posted June 1st, 2009 at 7:00 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Why don’t you address the hypocrisy he mentions instead of just name calling in reply?
Posted June 1st, 2009 at 7:13 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
festered:
“having spent the past couple of months in China my source is CCTV, which is one of the television networks in China, they have stations in Chinese, English and several other European languages.”
So, if you can show me evidence of what you are saying I would appreciate it. UNtil then, I don;t buy it.
“so you would rather buy a cheap throw away product from mexico then one made in the USA…”
That is not what I said. Here is what I said: “Free global trade is good for everyone except those unable to compete. If I can buy textile products. of equal quality, at a cheaper price, from Mexico, that’s where I want to buy it.”
If I can buy the same product, of equal quality, imported, at $1, I will buy it rather than a product made here that costs $2.
And, by the way, my friend, so will the vast majority of Americans. You want proof? Look at what happened to US automakers.
Posted June 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
duke, what hypocrosy are you talking about?…what is his point?…what better place to demonstrate against more taxes than a public venue paid for with tax money?
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