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	<title>Comments on: Questions about county fund allocations</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr.Wright</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22503</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Charles doesn't have anything to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Charles doesn&#8217;t have anything to say.</p>
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		<title>By: drunky</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22502</link>
		<dc:creator>drunky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22502</guid>
		<description>JMH, if the guy is not a felon and under the age of 40, he could join the army, navy, marines or airforce and have a recession-proof job and does not have to rely upon the transient lifestyle of the o and g industry.  Or perhaps he could just bide time until the economy recovers and the spot price of o and g comes back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMH, if the guy is not a felon and under the age of 40, he could join the army, navy, marines or airforce and have a recession-proof job and does not have to rely upon the transient lifestyle of the o and g industry.  Or perhaps he could just bide time until the economy recovers and the spot price of o and g comes back up.</p>
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		<title>By: festered</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22501</link>
		<dc:creator>festered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe we should let the gj city council handle the TAFN money, then we could have a dozen more roundabouts..................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe we should let the gj city council handle the TAFN money, then we could have a dozen more roundabouts&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Wright</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22500</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22500</guid>
		<description>A tempest in a tea-pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tempest in a tea-pot.</p>
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		<title>By: JMH</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22499</link>
		<dc:creator>JMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22499</guid>
		<description>drunky says, "Hey my church, the pagan christian haters want some free federal money too, where do we get in line? or are we just left out altogether because we are not in the club?"

Hey drunky - join the club! You'll just have to leave your hatred at the door. Let us know when your next food/clothing drive takes place &#38; I'll drop my donations off. Or - if you don't do that kind of thing, what do you do? With the economy the way it is, there are many people in need. I know of a family that still needs a little more help after Dad lost his job - and they just had a new baby that was delivered (free of charge - thankfully!) at ST. MARY'S Hospital. They OK with baby supplies for now, but they also have older kids who are growing like weeds and Catholic Outreach is short on their sizes. Their car died and it's getting fixed by a volunteer from the Vinyard, but Dad could use some help getting around job hunting since I can't always loan him my car at the times he needs to run around. Would anybody from your group be able to help? I don't think they go to church - is it only "Christians need not apply" for PCH assistance? Are persons of any other Faith eligible or do you have to become a "pagan christian hater"? If so, I'll send them to Salvation Army or one of the other local church groups - I don't think they care what Faith people are in order to provide assistance. 

How do they apply for assistance from you kind folks? How does anyone apply for assistance? You really ought to put your ad in the phone book and let Social Services know - they like to keep their resource lists up-to-date and I don't think you're on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drunky says, &#8220;Hey my church, the pagan christian haters want some free federal money too, where do we get in line? or are we just left out altogether because we are not in the club?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey drunky - join the club! You&#8217;ll just have to leave your hatred at the door. Let us know when your next food/clothing drive takes place &amp; I&#8217;ll drop my donations off. Or - if you don&#8217;t do that kind of thing, what do you do? With the economy the way it is, there are many people in need. I know of a family that still needs a little more help after Dad lost his job - and they just had a new baby that was delivered (free of charge - thankfully!) at ST. MARY&#8217;S Hospital. They OK with baby supplies for now, but they also have older kids who are growing like weeds and Catholic Outreach is short on their sizes. Their car died and it&#8217;s getting fixed by a volunteer from the Vinyard, but Dad could use some help getting around job hunting since I can&#8217;t always loan him my car at the times he needs to run around. Would anybody from your group be able to help? I don&#8217;t think they go to church - is it only &#8220;Christians need not apply&#8221; for PCH assistance? Are persons of any other Faith eligible or do you have to become a &#8220;pagan christian hater&#8221;? If so, I&#8217;ll send them to Salvation Army or one of the other local church groups - I don&#8217;t think they care what Faith people are in order to provide assistance. </p>
<p>How do they apply for assistance from you kind folks? How does anyone apply for assistance? You really ought to put your ad in the phone book and let Social Services know - they like to keep their resource lists up-to-date and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re on it.</p>
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		<title>By: drunky</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22498</link>
		<dc:creator>drunky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22498</guid>
		<description>Hey my church, the pagan christian haters want some free federal money too, where do we get in line?  or are we just left out altogether because we are not in the club?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey my church, the pagan christian haters want some free federal money too, where do we get in line?  or are we just left out altogether because we are not in the club?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22495</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, JMH. Apparently. I did not see the money physically change hands, so I am not stating it as a fact. Right now, it is, as you say, just suspicions based on talk. For now. That's how investigations start.

If the investigation provides facts to support the "talk" then we'll see what happens.

You'll notice no one is calling for Janet Rowland's resignation or for the money to be returned by the church. That's because rational people wait for sufficient evidence before taking action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, JMH. Apparently. I did not see the money physically change hands, so I am not stating it as a fact. Right now, it is, as you say, just suspicions based on talk. For now. That&#8217;s how investigations start.</p>
<p>If the investigation provides facts to support the &#8220;talk&#8221; then we&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice no one is calling for Janet Rowland&#8217;s resignation or for the money to be returned by the church. That&#8217;s because rational people wait for sufficient evidence before taking action.</p>
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		<title>By: JMH</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22493</link>
		<dc:creator>JMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently? So..... no facts - just suspicions based on "talk"?

Actually, it's not hard to believe that the Vineyard Church may have been given TANF funds to distribute - in that they provide goods and services to families in need on a regular basis. (food bank, clothing drives for the homeless, home improvements) 

In addition, via one of the goals/programs of the Mesa County Benevolent Community Partnership program:
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Employment / Life Skills
Purpose: This committee works to help bridge the gap for those seeking
employment or needing basic life skills such as budgeting of households.
A key focus of this committee is the Faith Partners Program which
matches teams of mentors from local churches with families seeking to
work their way out of poverty.
Goals:
1. Strengthen/expand Faith Partners
2. Address transportation needs
a. Coordinate with the Canyon View Vineyard’s – God’s Garage program to repair and donate cars / and repair privately owned cars. Use volunteers to assist mechanics for on-the-job training.
b. Bike drives to obtain donations of bikes-
3. Utilize church contacts to increase volunteer capacity to support the expansion of the Community Homeless Shelter to allow for day shelter for families, women and those that are ill.
http://www.mesacounty.us/mcweb/volunteer/bcp/Benevolent%20Community%20Partnership%20Summary.pdf

I also wouldn't be surprised if Catholic Outreach and St. Mathews Church may have also received TANF funds to be distributed via their roles in the operation of the GJ Community Homeless Shelter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently? So&#8230;.. no facts - just suspicions based on &#8220;talk&#8221;?</p>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not hard to believe that the Vineyard Church may have been given TANF funds to distribute - in that they provide goods and services to families in need on a regular basis. (food bank, clothing drives for the homeless, home improvements) </p>
<p>In addition, via one of the goals/programs of the Mesa County Benevolent Community Partnership program:<br />
****<br />
Employment / Life Skills<br />
Purpose: This committee works to help bridge the gap for those seeking<br />
employment or needing basic life skills such as budgeting of households.<br />
A key focus of this committee is the Faith Partners Program which<br />
matches teams of mentors from local churches with families seeking to<br />
work their way out of poverty.<br />
Goals:<br />
1. Strengthen/expand Faith Partners<br />
2. Address transportation needs<br />
a. Coordinate with the Canyon View Vineyard’s – God’s Garage program to repair and donate cars / and repair privately owned cars. Use volunteers to assist mechanics for on-the-job training.<br />
b. Bike drives to obtain donations of bikes-<br />
3. Utilize church contacts to increase volunteer capacity to support the expansion of the Community Homeless Shelter to allow for day shelter for families, women and those that are ill.<br />
<a href="http://www.mesacounty.us/mcweb/volunteer/bcp/Benevolent%20Community%20Partnership%20Summary.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mesacounty.us/mcweb/volunteer/bcp/Benevolent%20Community%20Partnership%20Summary.pdf</a></p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Catholic Outreach and St. Mathews Church may have also received TANF funds to be distributed via their roles in the operation of the GJ Community Homeless Shelter.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22491</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In talking to some people on this subjuct, that is the figure that has apparently been given to Janet Rowland's church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In talking to some people on this subjuct, that is the figure that has apparently been given to Janet Rowland&#8217;s church.</p>
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		<title>By: JMH</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22490</link>
		<dc:creator>JMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2009/07/02/questions-about-county-fund-allocations/#comment-22490</guid>
		<description>Scott - How did you come by the $110,000 figure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott - How did you come by the $110,000 figure?</p>
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