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Josh Penry and Janet Rowland should be ashamed of themselves for bringing in a bunch of rabble rousers to cause a scene and make Grand Junction look like a bunch of cornpones.
SUSAN A. SMITH
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53 Responses to “Local Republicans shouldn’t bring rabble rousers to town”
Posted August 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Gee Susan, why is it wrong to protest against a program you feel will put the country on the slippery slope to Socialism? Just remember that it was Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)who ranted loud and long a few years back that it is our right to protest and to be heard. Maybe that rant was just meant to apply to Liberal Democrats and not the Republicans. Ya suppose ?
Posted August 14th, 2009 at 1:41 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
It is their right to express their views but it is also right for them to let others do the same. Let the people decide the merits of each without the attempt restrict either. And Bigfoot could you be more specific about the ranting of others in the past?
Posted August 14th, 2009 at 7:00 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
SeabeeWWII - Holy cow Seabee you must live in a cave. You left wing libs have written the book on public disruption. Now all of a sudden we’re standing up for our rights, speaking our minds, and you guys can’t take it.
Posted August 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bigfoot said;
” Now all of a sudden we’re standing up for our rights, speaking our minds, and you guys can’t take it.”
Like “Liar, Liar, Liar,” Death Panels, Socialism, “Marxist Muslim,” “Birthers,” and on and on.
Posted August 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bigfoot:’You left wing libs have written the book on public disruption. Now all of a sudden we’re standing up for our rights, speaking our minds, and you guys can’t take it”.
Did I miss the examples that you gave of the ranting of Liberal’s or anyone else like those in todays town hall meetings? Lets see some specifics and are you saying that now only you have the right to express “your minds”?
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Where in the world do you get the idea that they are “bringing” anyone into town? That is such liberal “horse squeeze”. They aren’t bringing people here but at the same time can’t prohibit it like you liberals would do. It is a free country, don’t you get it?
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 7:30 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
There was a clip on TV a couple of nights ago showing Hillary, wild-eyed, and screaming about her right to be heard. Now when average citizens insist on exercising that same right, we are called “cornpones, rabble rousers, angry mobs,” etc. This healthcare bill is a hugely expensive, giant of a bill. It gives the government extremely far-reaching power over private decisions. I agree that health care reform is needed, I just don’t believe the government should get all the control.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
See, folks, liberals just have no experience in having a president in the White House. They do have lots of experience in bitching and moaning and protesting. So when they finally get their candidate elected, they simply do not know how to react when those who do not agree with their president and his agenda, decide to voice their opposition.
And they are so arrogant, that they can only conclude that opposition can only come from screwballs, right wing nuts, and genrally mentally and morally disabled individuals. They cannot comprehend how it is possible for an average American to disagree with a superior left wing ideology.
So to them, any dissent must be something organized by evil organizations and they assume that true disatisfaction is confined to a very small but vociferous minority. And since the vast majority of the media in this country is on their side, they can’t be anything but sure that they are right.
Problem is that the opposition is now the majority in this country and their agenda is going down the tubes.
And they just can’t take it.
So, so, sad.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 8:05 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pelosi-tells-anti-war-protesters-im-a-fan-of-disruptors/
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Wow - I posted Hillary’s rant and vids of the RNC/DNS protests last summer; and protesters shouting down McCain. It was ALL just NEWS footage.
That post is “Waiting for Moderation” —- INTERESTING
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Correction: #11 should have read RNC/DNC protests
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 9:07 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
JMH said, “Wow - I posted Hillary’s rant and vids of the RNC/DNS protests last summer; and protesters shouting down McCain. It was ALL just NEWS footage.”
Last summer, JMH? That would have been the summer of ‘08, would it not?
But you’ve only been a member since November of ‘08.
Soooo…. who made that post that’s still ‘Waiting for Moderation?”
*cough* willis *cough*
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 9:53 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
So, Curm, you and others have created quite the mistery here.
Who is JMH?
Is he a woman?
Is he a pastor?
Is he Willis?
When will we know the truth?
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 9:58 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
bullish - It’s more fun (and more fact-based) than any of the ‘theories’ put forth by Beck or Hannity, anyway.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
good letter bullishfrog #8. a worthwhile read.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
It continues to amaze me that our county representatives are so loudly suspicious of government. They are our representative government - which makes me suspicious of government. Isn’t this really about class, about how the haves and the have nots are divided into generations now, and the loudest protests are from the generation sucking the most out of government healthcare benefits. Remember how unpopular FDR’s programs were and now we showcase them now as an example of a great civilized nation?
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 12:56 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
davinci - what amazes me is how the Right desperately clings to the Status Quo, all the while accusing the Left of “groupthink” and “drinking the Kool-Aid” when they’ve bought into the biggest lie of all from Big Business (Oil, Health Insurance, you name it), to wit:
“Just let us make as much money as we can, with as little regulation or government interference as possible, and we promise, we double-dog pinky swear, that someday, sometime, real real soon…it’ll make you little people’s lives better. Honest. Because we’re the ones who are really looking out for you.”
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Curm, people risk their lives to come to this country. They come here, not looking for handouts, not looking for guarantees, but, instead, looking for an opportunity to work hard and have a better life than they had in their country of origin.
This is the land of opportunity. I happen to know this from personal experience because my family immigrated here with nothing, never asked the government for anything except for an opportunity, and we have done very well.
The constitution does not give any guarantees of success. It just provides the freedom for those who want to put in the effort to succeed, to be able to do so.
Little people can become big people in this country. And unless they have some sort of physical handicap, there is nothing to stop them.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
bullish - you are absolutely right. I happen to love this country, too, despite what others may accuse me of.
But that has nothing to do with what I posted.
You’re talking about this being the Land of Opportunity, Personal Freedom, and Liberty. No argument there.
I’m talking about big corporations and their political puppets perverting those ideals, and the millions who fall their own brand of propaganda.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
curm “I’m talking about big corporations and their political puppets perverting those ideals, and the millions who fall their own brand of propaganda.”
You know, my friend, I think we spend too much time worrying about big corporations and big salaries that others make. There is no purity anywhere and that includes government.
We need to make sure crime is punished. And when necessary, put in rules and regulations that keep the playing field level for everyone.
But one thing that we cannot do is guarantee anyone’s success and being an American through the accident of birth is not enough. Everyone needs to work hard to attain their goals and spend less time envying the success of others.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I don’t envy or begrudge anyone their successes. And I’m not even talking about ‘leveling the playing field’. You can’t guarantee fairness in any venue. If one competitor is smarter, or simply better equipped, that’s technically unfair, isn’t it?..but that’s the nature of competition, including business. Nothing can be guaranteed to be completely fair. Again, that’s NOT what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about big corporations using the concepts of Liberty and Opportunity to defend their unscrupulous, even deadly practices, how some of those practices then become defended as the Status Quo, and how the Right buys into their own Kool-Aid.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Curm: “I’m talking about big corporations using the concepts of Liberty and Opportunity to defend their unscrupulous, even deadly practices, how some of those practices then become defended as the Status Quo, and how the Right buys into their own Kool-Aid.”
Bullish: “We need to make sure crime is punished. And when necessary, put in rules and regulations that keep the playing field level for everyone.”
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Who benefits from the status quo? How will health care be rationed if we don’t reform the current system? How will we generate the jobs/revenue through the very system we reform to pay the costs? What do polls really tell us? Don’t they just reflect how media influences public opinion? These are questions I would ask if I were present at the town hall meeting today.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Oh, and I would preface my question with (instead of “a proud member of the NRA) with “proud member of Netflix” although I would subsequently be exposed because I just let my membership go…..
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
OK maybe I should say “proud card carrying member of the library”.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
JMH said, “Wow - I posted Hillary’s rant and vids of the RNC/DNS protests last summer; and protesters shouting down McCain. It was ALL just NEWS footage.”
Curm says, “Last summer, JMH? That would have been the summer of ‘08, would it not? But you’ve only been a member since November of ‘08. ”
ROTFLOL. Nice try, Curm. “Last summer” refers back to the “protests”, not when I made the post. That’s when the RNC/DNC Conventions took place. If you want to nitpick, I should have said Summer/Fall. gasp!
Please note, below, a copy of the first part of the post I made at 7:21 AM TODAY. We’ll see if it sticks around this time - or if one of you weenies hits “Report” again.
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seabee says, “Did I miss the examples that you gave of the ranting of Liberal’s…….?”
Yep.Hillary’s rant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
You must have been in an MSM-induced COMA for 8 years. So many angry liberals to choose from, too little time, so……. we’ll just stick to 2008……..
Protesters arrested at US Republican convention - 02 Sept 08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGJvlu-x5A
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to be continued……..
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 2:25 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
JMH - That explains it.
Although it still doesn’t explain why you showed up right after Willis was banned…..
‘weenies’? That’s some good willis’in there, if ever I heard it.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 6:05 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I have just heard of a new disease the medical profession has discovered: Foxheimers. It’s a brain disorder caused by excessive exposure to Hannity, O’Reily, and other Fox News pundits.
The only known relief is the off/on switch which is a standard feature on all TV sets. Pressing the switch until the screen goes black, two beers and good nights rest provides temporary relief from this dreaded disease. Doctor believe if the swich is left in the off position for up to six months complete recovery is possible.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 6:41 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
And the alternative would be the Communist News Network? If you don’t have anything to contribute you should stay home.
Posted August 15th, 2009 at 7:10 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Oh my, Dr. Wright. Did I hurt your feelings? Please accept my apology. My suggestion is to turn off all Network TV news since I don’t believe you learn very much from such sources. On the other hand C-SPAN offers calm and balanced coverage on most important issues.
Posted August 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Kemosabe; But C-SPAN is usually the words straight from the source and that is simply too hard and boring to understand. Fox News is in place to more clearly explain and the motives of that source or maybe what the source was wearing at the time that they delivered their ideas. Many times we can’t think unless we know what the “polls said” about the original information . Many Americans have a pre-conceived idea that gets in the way of understanding source material. I think they admit their filters are thick but they are way too proud of their pose to open their mind or self examine their pre-conceived ideas. It is one thing to hear the speech by Obama on how costs will influence the deficit long term, and a whole other brain function to listen.
Posted August 16th, 2009 at 7:34 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
“Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties — provided we’re only talking about criminals.” Ann Coulter
The only appropriate symbol for the liberal movement is the lemming.
americanpatriot ( gjresult.com )
Posted August 16th, 2009 at 7:54 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
AP is really going downhill. It looks like Willis is really rubbing off on him.
Posted August 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
I for one was at the rally at Lincoln Park and at the courthouse. Yes, I was one of those rabble rousers, but Penry and Rowland did not “bring me in”, I came of my own accord and appreciate at least a few politicians getting behind us who do disagree with the healthcare bill. Oh and despite what the sentinel and the local news portrayed, there was just as much screaming from the pro-Obama’s side at Central High School. Maybe we can be the rabble rousers, and you can be the cornpones…
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 5:47 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
lightening1952-Speaker of the House Pelosi would’ve been proud of you for being disruptive. She loves disrupters if you believe her writings from her book “Know Your Power”. In her book, Nancy Pelosi tells us how much she admires “disrupters.” Yes, disrupters. “Sometimes,” she explains “it is necessary to disrupt the status quo. That is the tradition of our country. Our Founders were disrupters – magnificent disrupters. Martin Luther King Jr. was a disrupter, as were the suffragettes. It is the American way. The change that resulted from these leaders has made our country greater. How can we follow their lead?”
Seems she might have a little hipocrisy problem to me.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.” Howard Beal
“There is no justice in bureaucracy for the individual, for bureaucracy caters only to itself.” William Powell
The point liberals; we read your book. Thanks for the ideas.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Here’s a chance for all to see how Nancy Pelosi really feels about disruptive speech at Town Hall Meeting. You may have to cut and paste the below link to your browser. She’s really a work of art.
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/08/14/pelosi-to-disruptors-your-advocacy-is-very-american/
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
This thread of dialogue is really solving a lot of issues.
I am not going to get into the mudslinging because it is a no win situation. For every stone the liberals can throw conservatives can throw one right back and visa versa. It is hard to make a point when there is so much mud on both sides of the fence.
However thru the years I have become worried about this “big corporation” or “big business” hatred movement.
The facts bear out that this now accepted concept especially among the liberal minded is that ALL big business is evil and greedy.
At what point is it “big business” and how big is that tent? Is there a yardstick to determine when a business is now “big”? Or to measure just when they become “evil”?
Is it a % of profit or is it just some oblique figure that I am not aware of? Does it have to do with what the “big business” provides? Is Apple or Microsoft “evil big corporations”? Or does a business have to produce or sell something that is a necessity of life like oil or drugs to be considered “evil”.
If the mainstream media or pop culture endorse a “big” company is it not “evil”? Or if the mainstream media and the pop culture decide that a corporation is “evil” or “big” does that automatically make it “evil” or “big”?
If it is owned by a liberal is it not considered “big and evil”? Or if it is owned by a conservative is it automatically considered to be “big and evil”? Is there a political ideology at work here when determining when a business is considered “big and evil”?
I need some help knowing just how “big, evil business/corporations” are determined to be “big and evil”? There does not appear to be a real measuring stick to determine just when we culturally decide to brand a business “big or evil”.
And aren’t most of these “evil big business/corporations” really run by stockholders and boards of directors? Are these stock holders and board members also “big” and “evil”? And do these stock holders and directors look different somehow from stock holders and directors from “small and good” corporations?
If a CEO makes an obscene amount of money does that mean the “corporation” is both “big” and “evil”? And who decides what is an obscene amount of money? How much exactly is an obscene amount of money? If a CEO of a small company makes an obscene amount does that automatically now make that company “big” and “evil”?
Can a CEO make an obscene amount of money and the company not be “big” and “evil”? Or can a company that is “big” and “evil” NOT pay their CEO an obscene amount of money and then not be “big” and “evil”?
Even socialistic countries need a sound economy and that sound economy has to come from somewhere.
Business is one of the foundation building blocks of our civilization. And just because a business is big and successful does not automatically make them “evil”. And just because a business is corrupt, sleazy and evil does not automatically make it “big”.
If you look at the real facts around 97% of the “big” business in this country operates well within the law and within the boundaries of acceptable morality. And of those the biggest are run by boards of directors who answer to stock holders who all agree what to pay the CEO.
We use oil products in virtually every aspect of our lives. It is not just the gas we use to transport ourselves and all the goods and services we use. Oil is used to produce the keys on this very keyboard I am typing on now.
Oil is what it is and as a rule American oil companies are no more corrupt than say the car lot on the nearest corner. They are just much, much bigger and their product and services are an essential in our daily lives.
If you look at the % profit from an oil company they are not as “big” as your local convenient store. In fact most companies could not survive on the same % profit.
And oil companies are not always making a profit and I don’t hear many people out there saying “hey these guys are losing money so why don’t we bail them out” when oil companies are not making a good profit. There have been periods in the past few decades when oil companies were barely getting by but you never heard much about that.
And for the sake of full disclosure no I do not have a “big” business and if I did I would try to make sure it was not “evil”. I have never and do not have plans to work for a “big” or “evil” company. I don’t even have stock in oil companies.
Just saying I need some clarification as to how to identify “big, evil corporations/businesses” And just who decides this kind of thing! In case I want to smear one I want to make sure I on the moral high ground.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 9:29 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Whiskeyman - excellent post. I would only add that “Big Government” is bad.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 10:15 am Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bigfoot - Thank you and I agree about BIG GOVERNMENT BEING BAD.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
whiskeyman - The new “moral high ground” has gone Global Green. So….. Hedge funds are ‘immoral’ unless you’re Billionaire George Soros (who bet AGAINST the US economy and won the jackpot, no small thanks to BO’s campaign fear mongering and Senate Finance refusing to regulate Fannie and Freddie) and who can contribute Billions to Leftist candidates and causes through various non-profit and CORPORATE charitable foundations.
The tip of the iceberg (so read the whole article and follow the links to verify info):
“In fact, tens of thousands of people have rallied in the nation’s capital supporting the president’s health care reform plan, including the controversial public option. However, national momentum is not with them, because they are, to use Nancy Pelosi’s phrase, “Astroturf.” These demonstrations were organized by Health Care for America Now! (HCAN), a new “national grassroots campaign of more than 1,000 organizations in 46 states representing 30 million people dedicated to winning quality, affordable health care.” Most of its component organizations have two things in common: they have no experience or expertise in health care, and virtually all received large, tax-exempt grants from far-Left billionaires like George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry. Like the “grassroots” movement for campaign finance reform a decade ago, the public demonstrations for health care reform are largely a SOROS-FINANCED operation.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35838
And….the Obama Administration is hip deep in Corporate cronies.
Take GE for example.
GE’s CEO Jeffrey Immelt sits on Obama’s Economic Advisory council.
GE was just fined $50 Million by the SEC for investor fraud
GE owns or controls a major chunk of Mainstream Media
GE has interests in almost EVERY sector of the global economy.
GE received 139 BILLION in loan guarantees from Stimulus money
GE stands to make BILLIONS through Cap ‘n Trade and Health Care
“General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt says that the Obama administration, for which General Electic was a top donor, is an “opportunity of a lifetime” because “capitalism will be ‘reset.’”
GE Capital
GE Aviation Financial Services, GE Commercial Finance, GE Energy Financial Services, GE Money, & GE Treasury
GE Technology Infrastructure
GE Aviation, GE Enterprise Solutions, GE Healthcare, & GE Transportation
GE Energy Infrastructure
GE Energy, GE Oil & Gas, GE Water & Process Technologies Ionics, Inc.
GE Consumer & Industrial [1] Appliances, Lighting, Consumer Electronics, & Electrical Distribution
GE NBC Universal, CNBC, MSNBC
GE Universal Studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_General_Electric
Immelt (remember he’s the GE CEO who sits on Obama’s Economic Advisory Board) also said:
“we are going through more than a cycle. The global economy, and capitalism, will be ‘reset’ in several important ways. The interaction between government and business will change forever. In a reset economy, the government will be a regulator; and also an industry policy champion, a financier, and a key partner.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=ajYCLEW617S4
“It should be considered significant good news for GE (GE) that Siemens (SI) says its revenue from global stimulus packages would be huge. According to Reuters, the conglomerate claims that it expects new orders due to efforts to improve the economy to be close to $31 billion. Much of this money will be spent on so-called “green” initiatives.”
http://247wallst.com/2009/06/22/good-news-for-ge-ge-siemens-see-stimulus-revenue/
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
whikeyman said “At what point is it “big business” and how big is that tent? Is there a yardstick to determine when a business is now “big”? Or to measure just when they become “evil”?
I don’t know about precise measurements but we see many examples of “Too Big” and if not evil at least immoral, amoral, dishonorable, destructive, and ruinous. Such as:
Citigroup, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and others. They almost brought our country down and are now up to their old tricks ready to try again.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
rm- Regarding the evils of Big Business, you obviously didn’t get your cup of Free-Market Kool Aid.
The financial crash was due to poor people getting loans they didn’t deserve.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:09 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Crud - typical liberal response to a well thought out and written letter. Obviously you have forgotten that it was the likes of Barney Frank, Chris (Good deal)Dodd,and last but not least the wonderful people of ACORN that badgered, presurred, and blackmailed the lending institutions into making bad loans to people that a lot of them couldn’t afford. This is just another case of liberal social engineering gone bad.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:15 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Pigfoot -
Acutally, I’ve always been a fan of whiskeyman’s letters. He’s one of you guys’ biggest assets here…someone who can put forth his opinions in a cogent, logical argument without sliding into name-calling and ridiculous Glenn Beck arguments. You, however have your own special value…you help prove my points about simple-minded knee-jerk Republicanism so clearly, it’s almost like you were a Liberal plant. You’re right, it was all them damn Demmycrats’ fault.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:37 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Crud - First of all I didn’t say it was all Democrats, I named the two principal culprits responsible along with their buddies from ACORN. I also don’t buy into your notion that you respect “Whiskeyman’s” writings, especially after the way you tore into him with your response to his letter. Believe me when I say that I don’t need Glen Beck, Rush or Hannity to get my motor stirred. All I need is to read your rubbish to get me riled. Ta ta - your ol’ buddy, Piggy.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:43 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bigfoot, you’re as misguided as you are intellectually dishonest. You named two Democrats and (that vile, evil) ACORN as the culprits. Nowhere did you say anything about anyone except them. And again, I’ve never slagged on one of whiskeyman’s posts. He’s too smart. And I respect smart more than anything else here. My response that got your ever-lovin’ dander up was to rm, about the Free-Market Kool Aid, which I’ve ranted about before.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:52 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Curm - Our biggest asset is your own double standard for “name-calling and ridiculous arguments” and your transparently feeble attempts to “divide and conquer” those who disagree with your Liberal vision for America. Oh well….. what else is new….Pffft
You just helped prove Coulter’s Theorum of Liberal Victim-hood….
It goes something like:
You can always tell what a liberal is guilty of thinking or doing - by listening to their stilted perceptions and projected accusations towards conservatives.
“Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and Their Assault on America”
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/030735346X
“In her most controversial and fiercely argued book yet, Ann Coulter calls out liberals for always playing the victim – when in fact, as she sees it, they are the victimizers. In GUILTY, Coulter explodes this myth to reveal that when it comes to bullying, no one outdoes the Left.”
“GUILTY is a mordantly witty and shockingly specific catalog of offenses which Coulter presents from A to Z. And as with each of her past books, all of which were NYT bestsellers, Coulter is fearless in her penchant for saying what needs saying about politics and culture today.”
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 1:59 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Hey Crud, I’m glad you’re coming around and are admitting that ACORN is evil and vile. My trouble is I’m too perceptive and I’m not dazzled by your BS. Your ol’ bud, Piggy
PS - Another excellent post today by JMH.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 2:15 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Sock puppet is particularly socky today.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 2:20 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
And, in case you missed it JMH/Willis/Whatever -
I never said I didn’t indulge in name calling…I was complimenting whiskeyman for not doing it. He’s smarter than I am, you see.
Yes, I’m trying to divide and conquer. It’s all a conspiracy. We’re all Sekrit Muzlims born in Kenya.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 3:22 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
Bigfoot,
Come on now, to blame the financial crisis on the “Acorn” myth which belongs in the dustbin along with “Deathers” and “Birthers” is deluded. To bring yourself up to speed you need to bone up on Securitization, Credit Default Swaps, Credit Default Obligations, and their synthetic derivatives. Then you will understand why there was a huge demand for mortgages. For a few years the “Banksters” were making big bucks until the downturn caught them flatfooted. And worse we still haven’t prosecuted any “Banksters” or at least made any effort to neuter them. This is an area were free market capitalism does not work. And I believe that our present private health care insurance is another area where it does not work and needs to be controlled.
Posted August 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm Login to Send PM Report this comment
rm - Most “capitalist” economists agree that there needs to be SOME control in the free markets to keep human greed at bay. IF that was what Obama was all about, you wouldn’t be hearing any complaints from the majority of large and small businesses who provide the backbone of our economy. However, Obama has been perfectly clear about his plans to decapitate (not just regulate or reform) free market capitalism in the U.S.
Please read some the long term history of the mortgage crisis and you will see that it wasn’t free market capitalism that didn’t “work”. It was the ‘coalition’ of free market capital, legislative mandates and socialist ideology. Very simply put, it was the creation of an ARTIFICIAL demand that drove the housing boom. Demand was driven by the easy availability of sub-prime and unconventional mortgages. Enter the refusal by Congress to reign in Fanny and Freddie’s risky practices and shady bookkeeping, and here we are. (of course, that’s simplistic - but take away the above and we wouldn’t be having this conversation!)
No doubt, bankers and mortgage originators made a ton of money, but ACORN did play a huge role and so did our own Congress. Meanwhile, 92% of homeowners continue to pay their mortgage, while 60% of all foreclosures have been due to sub-prime and other unconventional mortgages - that no lender in their right mind would have made in the first place. Not without political pressure and the ability to sell off risky mortgages ASAP and/or a guarantee from Fanny & Fred.
Anyway, ignore the editorial comments if you want, but do take a look at the historical time line:
Why the Mortgage Crisis Happened
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/what_really_happened_in_the_mo.html
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