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	<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on McCain is a flip-flopper by Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2805</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2805</guid>
		<description>Bullishfrog, it's called metooism.

It's based on the theory that everybody is as corrupt as they are.

It's like Cokie Roberts standing in front of a camera and stating that "everybody does it" while referring to Clintons sleeping with everything he can get close to.

Excuse me Cokie, but my circle of friends and acquaintances don't, but apparently you and your acquaintances do, and why did you need to tell us that you are a little round in the heels?

I never could get her to interview me on national TV.... bummer dude!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullishfrog, it&#8217;s called metooism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s based on the theory that everybody is as corrupt as they are.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Cokie Roberts standing in front of a camera and stating that &#8220;everybody does it&#8221; while referring to Clintons sleeping with everything he can get close to.</p>
<p>Excuse me Cokie, but my circle of friends and acquaintances don&#8217;t, but apparently you and your acquaintances do, and why did you need to tell us that you are a little round in the heels?</p>
<p>I never could get her to interview me on national TV&#8230;. bummer dude!</p>
<p> <img src='http://community.gjsentinel.com/community/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on McCain is a flip-flopper by bullishfrog</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2804</link>
		<dc:creator>bullishfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2804</guid>
		<description>Republicans labeled Kerry a flip-flopper, so Democrats feel the need to label McCain a flip flopper.  Republicans labeled Clinton a liar, so Democrats feel the the need to label Bush a liar.  WHERE IS THE ORIGINALITY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans labeled Kerry a flip-flopper, so Democrats feel the need to label McCain a flip flopper.  Republicans labeled Clinton a liar, so Democrats feel the the need to label Bush a liar.  WHERE IS THE ORIGINALITY?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Responsibility for education falls on child and parents by oneperson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2803</link>
		<dc:creator>oneperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2803</guid>
		<description>Educators have fallen in love with the "blame the parent" line.  It simply is another way to avoid accountability on the part of the educational system.  Locally about 70% of all kids are proficient/advanced in reading, about 55% prof/adv in writing, while in math scores start at about 70% prof/adv in 3rd grade and drop to less than 30% in tenth grade.  So if we are goig to blame the parents is it the parents of the 30% who can't read, the 45% who can't write, or the 70% who can't do math.  How can they be bad parents for one subject but not the other?  Are they bad parents in tenth grade after being good parents in third?

As far as kids go, every kid showing up for the first day of kindergarten wants to be something - a fireman, a nurse, a doctor, a teacher, a mom or a dad.  In this district, 12 years later, 30% are dropouts.  They came wanting to learn, the system turned them into dropouts.

If it had not been proven by other districts that they can change, can reform, and can improve, then maybe it could be blamed on the parents or kids.  But schools and school districts have shown marked improvement without finding new parents, new kids or new demographics.  It can be done, just not locally at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educators have fallen in love with the &#8220;blame the parent&#8221; line.  It simply is another way to avoid accountability on the part of the educational system.  Locally about 70% of all kids are proficient/advanced in reading, about 55% prof/adv in writing, while in math scores start at about 70% prof/adv in 3rd grade and drop to less than 30% in tenth grade.  So if we are goig to blame the parents is it the parents of the 30% who can&#8217;t read, the 45% who can&#8217;t write, or the 70% who can&#8217;t do math.  How can they be bad parents for one subject but not the other?  Are they bad parents in tenth grade after being good parents in third?</p>
<p>As far as kids go, every kid showing up for the first day of kindergarten wants to be something - a fireman, a nurse, a doctor, a teacher, a mom or a dad.  In this district, 12 years later, 30% are dropouts.  They came wanting to learn, the system turned them into dropouts.</p>
<p>If it had not been proven by other districts that they can change, can reform, and can improve, then maybe it could be blamed on the parents or kids.  But schools and school districts have shown marked improvement without finding new parents, new kids or new demographics.  It can be done, just not locally at this point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Responsibility for education falls on child and parents by Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2802</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2802</guid>
		<description>AGREED!!

And I disagree with the concept of the government the only entity endowed with the skills and knowledge to educate our children.

The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution forbids that which is nor specifically enumerated to the federal government.

But, even an indepth study of that document reveals no such enumeration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGREED!!</p>
<p>And I disagree with the concept of the government the only entity endowed with the skills and knowledge to educate our children.</p>
<p>The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution forbids that which is nor specifically enumerated to the federal government.</p>
<p>But, even an indepth study of that document reveals no such enumeration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McCain is a flip-flopper by Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2801</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/mccain-is-a-flip-flopper/#comment-2801</guid>
		<description>McKainnedy flops a lot, but he's a mere amateur compared to what our other choices seem to be.

And it is a sad state of affairs to need to rely on "yeah, but ours isn't as crooked and dishonest as yours".

We, as voters from both sides, really need to get a 'none of the above' on the ballot so we can truly express our choices we get shoved down our throats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McKainnedy flops a lot, but he&#8217;s a mere amateur compared to what our other choices seem to be.</p>
<p>And it is a sad state of affairs to need to rely on &#8220;yeah, but ours isn&#8217;t as crooked and dishonest as yours&#8221;.</p>
<p>We, as voters from both sides, really need to get a &#8216;none of the above&#8217; on the ballot so we can truly express our choices we get shoved down our throats.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prairie dogs are intelligent creatures by Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/prairie-dogs-are-intelligent-creatures/#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/prairie-dogs-are-intelligent-creatures/#comment-2800</guid>
		<description>Well Sam, I suppose you could buy lots of land and import all the prairie dogs from where they cause problems to your place where they can live in peace and tranquility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Sam, I suppose you could buy lots of land and import all the prairie dogs from where they cause problems to your place where they can live in peace and tranquility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public debate helps military strategy by Willis_Leon_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/public-debate-helps-military-strategy/#comment-2799</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis_Leon_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/public-debate-helps-military-strategy/#comment-2799</guid>
		<description>So, in other words, when harry reid declared the war lost on the floor of the senate, the terrorists just shrugged their shoulders and walked away?

How about they threw a party that would have put both harvard and yale fraternities to shame?

When pelosi and reid declared the 'surge' a failure before the first boot hit the soil, they just rolled over and took a nap?

Perhaps Mr. Oswald should stick to the comics as he suggests.

The 'comics' section of the papers are more reliable than the sources he uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in other words, when harry reid declared the war lost on the floor of the senate, the terrorists just shrugged their shoulders and walked away?</p>
<p>How about they threw a party that would have put both harvard and yale fraternities to shame?</p>
<p>When pelosi and reid declared the &#8217;surge&#8217; a failure before the first boot hit the soil, they just rolled over and took a nap?</p>
<p>Perhaps Mr. Oswald should stick to the comics as he suggests.</p>
<p>The &#8216;comics&#8217; section of the papers are more reliable than the sources he uses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Responsibility for education falls on child and parents by hitekredneck</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2798</link>
		<dc:creator>hitekredneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/responsibility-for-education-falls-on-child-and-parents/#comment-2798</guid>
		<description>well said, but i believe it goes further....kids have the same opportunities for success, but that success can only be determined by their own desires....parents ultimately shoulder the responsibility of showing their children that all decisions are followed by consequences, both penalties and rewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, but i believe it goes further&#8230;.kids have the same opportunities for success, but that success can only be determined by their own desires&#8230;.parents ultimately shoulder the responsibility of showing their children that all decisions are followed by consequences, both penalties and rewards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Domestic fruit and vegetable crops threatened by lack of labor by tiag</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/domestic-fruit-and-vegetable-crops-threatened-by-lack-of-labor/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>tiag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/07/domestic-fruit-and-vegetable-crops-threatened-by-lack-of-labor/#comment-2797</guid>
		<description>Mr. Harris, I am looking for work. I live basically with no frills, yet  I need to earn 14.00 to 15.00 per hour with a 40 + hour work week, to cover rent for my daughter and I. food, utilities, GAS, Mr. Harris are you willing to pay me that much to work straight labor? I have a BA in Business, an very internet literate with a background in website research, development, and marketing. I have lived in GJ for over 13 years, raised seven children here most of whom are still in the area, working and living on their own.

I, re read your letter's heading, got off this page and went to GJS's  employment page. First off, there is no "Farm Worker" classification, none. Then when I did a Yahoo Job search of the same, there weren't any job listings found in our area either, none. 

When my brother and I were kids, young teenagers, we made $20.00 bucks a day sorting tomatoes on a six man/woman picking crew. He and I were the only ones on the job that spoke English. In the afternoon the job foremen would come along, we would sign a labor record sign in sheet and got paid at the end of the day.  Big bucks back then.

Work was hard but steady, if you've ever picked tomatoes you know what I mean. Daily temperatures got up to 115 degrees during the summer months in the valley there with few breaks, all that being said, hard work is not a distant relative of mine. Speaking of hard work, I was a single dad of six for a while, if you've ever been a single parent you know what I mean. :O) Finding work from area farmers? I can't find any, with basic research applied, I still don't know where to look, who's fault is that?

Mr. Harris, I don’t know you at all. My letter here is based on what I read from your own hand. It seems Sir that you want workers but do not want to pay them their worth, paying under the table, paying un-educated, and a transient type labor pool are the norm for farm labor's I know, I’ve seen it first hand;  you Mr. Harris say differently. Sorry, but of me, I am none of those, I guess my self worth comes into play here. I can earn my keep picking tomatoes, peaches or researching a persons self-worth and to develop a website to prove it, Farm owners though do not want to pay what an individual is worth, and then they gripe about the poor or lacking labor pool. Seems like some area farmers have created their own problem when it comes to the pay scale, the rest of the US have created a problem by not correcting the illegal immigrant problem before now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Harris, I am looking for work. I live basically with no frills, yet  I need to earn 14.00 to 15.00 per hour with a 40 + hour work week, to cover rent for my daughter and I. food, utilities, GAS, Mr. Harris are you willing to pay me that much to work straight labor? I have a BA in Business, an very internet literate with a background in website research, development, and marketing. I have lived in GJ for over 13 years, raised seven children here most of whom are still in the area, working and living on their own.</p>
<p>I, re read your letter&#8217;s heading, got off this page and went to GJS&#8217;s  employment page. First off, there is no &#8220;Farm Worker&#8221; classification, none. Then when I did a Yahoo Job search of the same, there weren&#8217;t any job listings found in our area either, none. </p>
<p>When my brother and I were kids, young teenagers, we made $20.00 bucks a day sorting tomatoes on a six man/woman picking crew. He and I were the only ones on the job that spoke English. In the afternoon the job foremen would come along, we would sign a labor record sign in sheet and got paid at the end of the day.  Big bucks back then.</p>
<p>Work was hard but steady, if you&#8217;ve ever picked tomatoes you know what I mean. Daily temperatures got up to 115 degrees during the summer months in the valley there with few breaks, all that being said, hard work is not a distant relative of mine. Speaking of hard work, I was a single dad of six for a while, if you&#8217;ve ever been a single parent you know what I mean. :O) Finding work from area farmers? I can&#8217;t find any, with basic research applied, I still don&#8217;t know where to look, who&#8217;s fault is that?</p>
<p>Mr. Harris, I don’t know you at all. My letter here is based on what I read from your own hand. It seems Sir that you want workers but do not want to pay them their worth, paying under the table, paying un-educated, and a transient type labor pool are the norm for farm labor&#8217;s I know, I’ve seen it first hand;  you Mr. Harris say differently. Sorry, but of me, I am none of those, I guess my self worth comes into play here. I can earn my keep picking tomatoes, peaches or researching a persons self-worth and to develop a website to prove it, Farm owners though do not want to pay what an individual is worth, and then they gripe about the poor or lacking labor pool. Seems like some area farmers have created their own problem when it comes to the pay scale, the rest of the US have created a problem by not correcting the illegal immigrant problem before now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public debate helps military strategy by hitekredneck</title>
		<link>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/public-debate-helps-military-strategy/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>hitekredneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://community.gjsentinel.com/2008/05/13/public-debate-helps-military-strategy/#comment-2796</guid>
		<description>whether you want to admit it or not, the terrorists aren't stupid....they have their own web sites, blogs, forums, etc and i'm sure they catch american news with great interest...this war has so divided the country that almost unanimously decided to wage war on the terrorists and their supporting countries...it's mainly because of this division that they've increased the attacks, mainly against their own people, and will probably continue the trend as we grow even more heated about the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whether you want to admit it or not, the terrorists aren&#8217;t stupid&#8230;.they have their own web sites, blogs, forums, etc and i&#8217;m sure they catch american news with great interest&#8230;this war has so divided the country that almost unanimously decided to wage war on the terrorists and their supporting countries&#8230;it&#8217;s mainly because of this division that they&#8217;ve increased the attacks, mainly against their own people, and will probably continue the trend as we grow even more heated about the subject.</p>
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